Can't we just agree to be more mindful of ongoing discussions on one side and skimming more on the other?

I thought that's actually what we were discussing. I'm not stamping my feet to ask that fanfic be discussed in the fanfic thread. But when I am asked what would make the Supernatural thread easier / happier / less why bother, I think I should be truthful. Knowing that a post is about fic means I can read, skip or skim without feeling like I might be missing something about the show.

Being mindful would mean what different than the status quo? I mean, status quo can continue but my feelings certainly won't change.

What happens if someone forgets though, or wants to discuss both fic and show in the same post? Would other people be able to make them go back and add it in? Would separate posts be necessary?

It seems like a slippery slope to me, and honestly, starting down it would make me less comfortable here.

It'd be a hell of a courtesy. I'm not saying people have to, just that it'd feel like where we talk about the CW series Supernatural to me. I know we're all twitchy after the ugliness of Boxed Set and the creaton of this thread in the first place but it's currently feeling like show talk is secondary and if the people who love and want to talk about fic want to make it easier for show talk to thrive too, I am grateful.

And I would be grateful if we wait and see what it's like now that we've had this discussion, and after hiatus ends and there is actually show to talk about, before we start asking people to label and categorize their posts.

eta: this sounds harsher than I would like, but I can't think of another way to state it, because I personally really don't want to start down this path.

I believe in waiting until the hiatus is over.

I hope I haven't linked to fic without telling what the pairing is, or more importantly art without a rating.

FIC: won't help me much. I don't parse in that short bursts. If it's a conversation about something that severely squicks me, like incest or RPF, I just skim after I've found enough context to work out what it was. There's no code to protect me from what I don't want to read.

And the stuff that's not a squick, that's just not a DNW, well, I don't care if it's there. When I see it, I just scroll past it to the next paragraph.

Are you suggesting making each paragraph about fic have a FIC header, and no more multipurpose posts? A post about meta or canon would be separate? Can ART go with FIC? Do people who don't want to read about one also not want to read the other? Same with VIDs?

Does general discussion of pairings, for instance, fall under a FIC tag if it never refers to a story anyone wrote? I mean, if I'm skeeved by Wincest, I'm skeeved by meta discussions of Wincest, and I'm not about to ask people to tag that. I'll just avoid it when it happens. half the fic shit is canon extrapolation. The sentence "Damn, that beatdown really Kripkes architeuthis without the porn"--too much fic? Derailing discussion of 4.17 or 4.18, wherever it happened?

Saying you found the perfect song to vid to and citing the lyrics? Bad? Saying hearing Pink Floyd made you sad? Meta? Distracting from the true purpose of the thread?

I see all that shit, songs, wincest, meta, as part of the thread culture. I don't see any part threatening the rest. And I just don't participate in what is not for me, and I don't hesitate to start talking about what is.

And if anyone wants to swing by and suggest we software tag our posts then I'll hand them the keys to the source code and they can go crazy.

I don't hesitate to start talking about what is.

This is kind of key to me, I have to admit. I guess I don't get how one person posting about x stops other people from posting about y. It's not like we have to take turns with the microphone or something.

I repeat, I don't want to discourage anybody from enjoying the show and this thread the way they're most comfortable. I withdraw my suggestion.

And I don't want you to not be comfortable here, Bev. I guess I just think posting more show talk is a better way of having more show talk than pushing out other talk would be.

Plus, that way, we get MOAR SPICY BRAINS.

Just my two cents.

I skim the D/C discussion, because it's as AU to me as Wincest and sister fic.

We have people here who've courageously and sincerely made their feelings known about fic discussion v. discussion of Show. Some have withdrawn their suggestion and others have committed to being more mindful. I think that's a fine compromise.

Personally, I've come from a fandom that split bitterly and became flaming factions of pettiness, vitriol, sock puppets and trolls. I must say I'm impressed that while I do read frustration from some, I also see sincerity in trying to understand others' points of view and attempts to work it out.

This must be the fandom version of the grown-up's table.