I hope I haven't linked to fic without telling what the pairing is, or more importantly art without a rating.

FIC: won't help me much. I don't parse in that short bursts. If it's a conversation about something that severely squicks me, like incest or RPF, I just skim after I've found enough context to work out what it was. There's no code to protect me from what I don't want to read.

And the stuff that's not a squick, that's just not a DNW, well, I don't care if it's there. When I see it, I just scroll past it to the next paragraph.

Are you suggesting making each paragraph about fic have a FIC header, and no more multipurpose posts? A post about meta or canon would be separate? Can ART go with FIC? Do people who don't want to read about one also not want to read the other? Same with VIDs?

Does general discussion of pairings, for instance, fall under a FIC tag if it never refers to a story anyone wrote? I mean, if I'm skeeved by Wincest, I'm skeeved by meta discussions of Wincest, and I'm not about to ask people to tag that. I'll just avoid it when it happens. half the fic shit is canon extrapolation. The sentence "Damn, that beatdown really Kripkes architeuthis without the porn"--too much fic? Derailing discussion of 4.17 or 4.18, wherever it happened?

Saying you found the perfect song to vid to and citing the lyrics? Bad? Saying hearing Pink Floyd made you sad? Meta? Distracting from the true purpose of the thread?

I see all that shit, songs, wincest, meta, as part of the thread culture. I don't see any part threatening the rest. And I just don't participate in what is not for me, and I don't hesitate to start talking about what is.

And if anyone wants to swing by and suggest we software tag our posts then I'll hand them the keys to the source code and they can go crazy.

I don't hesitate to start talking about what is.

This is kind of key to me, I have to admit. I guess I don't get how one person posting about x stops other people from posting about y. It's not like we have to take turns with the microphone or something.

I repeat, I don't want to discourage anybody from enjoying the show and this thread the way they're most comfortable. I withdraw my suggestion.

And I don't want you to not be comfortable here, Bev. I guess I just think posting more show talk is a better way of having more show talk than pushing out other talk would be.

Plus, that way, we get MOAR SPICY BRAINS.

Just my two cents.

I skim the D/C discussion, because it's as AU to me as Wincest and sister fic.

We have people here who've courageously and sincerely made their feelings known about fic discussion v. discussion of Show. Some have withdrawn their suggestion and others have committed to being more mindful. I think that's a fine compromise.

Personally, I've come from a fandom that split bitterly and became flaming factions of pettiness, vitriol, sock puppets and trolls. I must say I'm impressed that while I do read frustration from some, I also see sincerity in trying to understand others' points of view and attempts to work it out.

This must be the fandom version of the grown-up's table.

I see all that shit, songs, wincest, meta, as part of the thread culture.

Right. And I can adjust myself to that now that I see that. I see now that where for me fic is a tangetial topic or is more clearly demarcated from show discussion, for others the two are far more intertwined and in fact cannot be neatly separated. Knowing (and now, understanding) that helps me a LOT.

This must be the fandom version of the grown-up's table.

Which is why I love this place.

This must be the fandom version of the grown-up's table.

Does that mean we get wine? I approve.

I certainly don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. I'm fine with skipping until we get more show. I agree that any kind of tagging is too awkward for normal thread discourse.

Does that mean we get wine?

You mean, we aren't drinking now?

As a mostly lurker (I tend to tivo and not watch for a few days, so by the time I get in here, everything's been said :) )I've just been skimming by the fic discussion, I figured that it was being discussed because there was no show to talk about. I didn't think that it was thread shift, just boredom. My .02, FWIW.

Well, it's nice to be all official about it.

Simon Said is on. I miss Andy, and Sam's visions. Sam's psychic freak thing, especially the telekinesis, definitely didn't get enough play.