Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God.

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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 11:50:22 am PST #16389 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that's reading a lot into the meta that had them survive with a badass moment from Sam. As far as I interpret it, that was the only reason they weren't killed immediately--because the text needed an out. Nothing I'd ascribe to the character motivation within.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 12:20:59 pm PST #16390 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read and enjoyed a dark agenda racebending AU story that Anne recommended: When The Badger Grows Horns. I have no idea how accurate it may or may not be...the author isn't actually of the ethnicity she writes primarily about, but seems to have done rigourous research.

However, in her author's notes she mentions she thinks canon Dean is dyslexic and G/T. What's G/T? And WTF dyslexia? When has he had any symptoms of reading problems? Why do people keep doing that?

It drives me nuts. It shouldn't, but it does.


Amy - Dec 09, 2010 12:27:03 pm PST #16391 of 30002
Because books.

G/T = gifted/talented. I think.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 12:33:26 pm PST #16392 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha. I see.

I still think reading dyslexia into canon is just pandering to your particular narrative/character kinks. He's shown absolutely no problem reading or spelling whatsoever, much less dyslexia-specific issues. Yet it seems to have a minor fan following.


P.M. Marc - Dec 09, 2010 12:34:14 pm PST #16393 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah, that's fanon, not canon.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 12:41:30 pm PST #16394 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For some reason it really bothers me when people don't draw a clear line between canon and fanon. I mean, I get that Dean's only really bi in my head, despite his goo goo eyes at Dr. Sexy. That's never going to play out anywhere except for fanfic.

And that there are things canon leaves room for, or maybe implies, but I know I can't say are supported--like John laying a hand on the boys. Got nothing to that but my reading of it.

It's just, you see people so freaking adamant, it's like shit has been stated somewhere, and they call it canon (or "as good as") and I gotta wonder how they consume.

Never mind the fixit fics and arts I've seen to make up for the Cas/Meg kiss last week. And, oh, the names that she's being called. Slut, whore, all sorts of angry stuff. Because Show was so mean and horrible to get demon GIRL cooties all over Cas, people need to fix it with lots of Dean spit.

Look, folks, I ship it too. But we're all making shit up. It looks weird when you get so emotional about it. Your issues are showing.


Morgana - Dec 09, 2010 12:53:56 pm PST #16395 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Because Show was so mean and horrible to get demon GIRL cooties all over Cas

I haven't read those posts (not being a Dean/Cas shipper myself), so is it the demon part or thie girl part that they're objecting to? Because if it's the girl part, they've got to be willfully ignoring the "angels are essentially genderless" issue. Castiel's current vessel is a human male, but the essential Castiel is not.


Anne W. - Dec 09, 2010 12:54:51 pm PST #16396 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

And, oh, the names that she's being called. Slut, whore, all sorts of angry stuff.

Oh, lovely. Wish I could say I was surprised.

In other news, I had a rather awful realization about the implications of Cas 'taking care of' the residents of Monster Gitmo. Wouldn't that have included the shifter babies? And Bobby-John? That's where I would like fixit fic, or at least an ep tag to undo the belated horror.


SailAweigh - Dec 09, 2010 12:55:54 pm PST #16397 of 30002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Yeah, I have friends in the Trek fandom who have recently started watching SPN that are appalled at what they find out there. I've gently pointed them in our direction, so don't be surprised at any delurkings that may come around (or not, we'll see how adventurous they are.)


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 1:13:24 pm PST #16398 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because if it's the girl part, they've got to be willfully ignoring the "angels are essentially genderless" issue.

I've read at least one poster bemoaning the cruel heteronormativity of the whole thing, which, really, fancy words for girl cooties in this particular scenario. Cas is really REALLY unlikely to be kissing a boy. That's just life. Suck it up.

Mostly, I think it's that he's kissing someone who's not Dean, therefore it's outrageous fanservice and pandering. People, please. Outrageous fanservice is the name of the game, and what goes around comes around. It's not the end of the world.

There's just about no one, I think, saying that they'd rather he'd have kissed Jo than Meg--I mean, those people aren't hissing and spitting crazily.

It's the weird air of entitlement, like Gamble has some responsibility to leave the way clear for the ship, when, seriously, ship is no less likely than it was a week ago.