My god...he's gonna do the whole speech.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Morgana - Dec 09, 2010 12:53:56 pm PST #16395 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Because Show was so mean and horrible to get demon GIRL cooties all over Cas

I haven't read those posts (not being a Dean/Cas shipper myself), so is it the demon part or thie girl part that they're objecting to? Because if it's the girl part, they've got to be willfully ignoring the "angels are essentially genderless" issue. Castiel's current vessel is a human male, but the essential Castiel is not.


Anne W. - Dec 09, 2010 12:54:51 pm PST #16396 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

And, oh, the names that she's being called. Slut, whore, all sorts of angry stuff.

Oh, lovely. Wish I could say I was surprised.

In other news, I had a rather awful realization about the implications of Cas 'taking care of' the residents of Monster Gitmo. Wouldn't that have included the shifter babies? And Bobby-John? That's where I would like fixit fic, or at least an ep tag to undo the belated horror.


SailAweigh - Dec 09, 2010 12:55:54 pm PST #16397 of 30002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Yeah, I have friends in the Trek fandom who have recently started watching SPN that are appalled at what they find out there. I've gently pointed them in our direction, so don't be surprised at any delurkings that may come around (or not, we'll see how adventurous they are.)


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 1:13:24 pm PST #16398 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because if it's the girl part, they've got to be willfully ignoring the "angels are essentially genderless" issue.

I've read at least one poster bemoaning the cruel heteronormativity of the whole thing, which, really, fancy words for girl cooties in this particular scenario. Cas is really REALLY unlikely to be kissing a boy. That's just life. Suck it up.

Mostly, I think it's that he's kissing someone who's not Dean, therefore it's outrageous fanservice and pandering. People, please. Outrageous fanservice is the name of the game, and what goes around comes around. It's not the end of the world.

There's just about no one, I think, saying that they'd rather he'd have kissed Jo than Meg--I mean, those people aren't hissing and spitting crazily.

It's the weird air of entitlement, like Gamble has some responsibility to leave the way clear for the ship, when, seriously, ship is no less likely than it was a week ago.


Cass - Dec 09, 2010 2:27:59 pm PST #16399 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And, oh, the names that she's being called. Slut, whore, all sorts of angry stuff.

And this is where people are just as skeevy as other people who happen to make tv. Seriously, I loathe the show's easy, breezy misogyny but it is a pretty fair reflection of the world in a lot of ways.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 09, 2010 3:01:50 pm PST #16400 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

To be fair, Meg has always been Mistress of the Single Entendre since her reveal as a demon, so it's not quite as unfounded as pasting the "slut" label on someone like, say, Jo or Madison from "Heart" for having a mutual attraction with the Winchester of one's choice. Though a diversionary kiss while pickpocketing someone wouldn't be the best example to zero in on.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 3:07:45 pm PST #16401 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, the difference between Madison and Meg is that we know Madison had sex.

I laugh at all these people railing at Meg's slutty ways, where really, her sum total of sexual anything is talking dirty. Oh, big whorish tramp.

I'm not one of the people sensitive to the word bitch--I'd cheerily throw that in her direction. But in the contexts where I've seen slut and whore thrown at her it was pretty clear it was in a "get your hands off my OTP" sexual slur way.


Cass - Dec 09, 2010 3:18:47 pm PST #16402 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Well, the difference between Madison and Meg is that we know Madison had sex.

Didn't Meg's actual ghost (the girl, not the demon) talk about the things she endured while the demon was in her meatsuit. I thought sex was specifically cited. But I am way unmotivated to go find a script.


Juliebird - Dec 09, 2010 3:22:07 pm PST #16403 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Beyond all the kerfuffle brought about by the kiss and the porn watching, and the plot machinations to bring that about, I wonder if this was a one-off within canon, and whether this is setting the stage for further canon exploration of Cas' humanity/sexuality, or if it was just for the titter factor this one time. Because part of me wants to see that explored like it really wasn't in season 5, but the other part of me is saying that they had their chance and missed it, and anything else is a retread.

I also had a random thought the other day that newly almost-human Cas catching the bus to cut off Pestilence's finger wouldn't have had nice clean clothing to be wearing when he showed up. That they missed the boat on getting him a temporary wardrobe change, and that they could have gotten mileage out of "holy shit, The End/2014!Cas is getting nigher, see how he falls!"


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 3:37:41 pm PST #16404 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought sex was specifically cited.

No, Meg doesn't say anything about any sex in that body. She says she was dressed like a slut...but that must have happened offscreen, because we didn't see any of that.

I like the idea of Cas exploring sexuality as an angel better than as a fallen angel, but no skin off my nose if they never go there again.