My impression from interviews and comments, both from him and from other people, is that he seems to not want to cast John in a sympathetic light. Again, just an impression.

I think even if they did put together such a confrontation, they'd cast Cohen. It's logical, since young John actually knew Samuel, he died at Samuel's hands, and Mary made her deal with Azazel in Samuel's meatsuit. Older John, father to two grownass boys, doesn't have the same connection. Plus Cohen works cheaper.

But OMG, would I love to see JDM and Pileggi at odds on the same screen.

he seems to not want to cast John in a sympathetic light

Do you have citations for that? Because he really fucked up in season 5. The Song Remains The Same was the most humanising and truly John moment he's had. God, it was brilliant. John was more of an ass in S3 and some of 4. 5, where judgmental Sam forgives him? Was like the his truly redeeming moment.

I'm not interested in Cohen killing Sampa. It's...well, I imagined John coming back from the dead, and it would be weird if he didn't come back looking like he died, just because that's how it works for me in my head. We know what he looks like post Death--we saw him kill Azazel.

And John, father to two kids is precisely who I want to kill Sampa. I want him to look Samuel in the face and say that he's a father too, and he loved Mary fiercely, and that's just wrong. Young John doesn't know these things, hasn't lived these things, and it wouldn't be a fuck yeah moment for me.

Young John doesn't know these things, hasn't lived these things, and it wouldn't be a fuck yeah moment for me.

I agree.

Although if someone is going to kill him, I sort of want it to be Dean. He's the one who's feeling the betrayal right now.

I know, that's what makes sense to me, too--both the coming back as he died--which, you know, makes the whole Mary thing of Samuel's so bizarre. Because wouldn't Mary come back as she left? Mother of two, a young matron, rather than a teenaged daughter?--and the father of two, rather than the young, expectant father, pretty much clueless about he occult. That wouldn't be a powerful confrontation at all.

I don't have sites on the Kripke thing, sorry. It's a cumulative impression of asides from several people, plus some between the lines things from Krip. He's been accused by many (fans and fan-critics, mostly) of loadng his own father issues onto the Winchesters.

Because wouldn't Mary come back as she left? Mother of two, a young matron, rather than a teenaged daughter?

I don't get why that's bizarre. It's what I'd assumed. Why do you think something different?

I've seen people accuse Kripke of tarring John, but I've never seen a single quotation that made it seem like he disliked the character, and certainly nothing that would lead me to think he disliked him more than Sera specifically.

So, given the sympathetic and positive portrayal of him in the one appearance he had last season, I'm going to wait for evidence. It doesn't add up to me.

Finally got a chance to watch ash's Wrong vid. Wow. So good and kinda hurty, but not. And some of the transitions and internal movement is awesome (like when wee Sam runs to punch and then it's gigantor following through, or Lucifer turning and Sam finishing the motion.

The external footage works because it's so generic. I've seen stock footage of cities used in two different tv shows, so that's definitely not sacred territory (Daybreak and Life, both LA based).

If Mary or John were to make a reappearance, I would think the adult versions would be the most appropriate. But I don't think that, story-wise, there's a burning need to see them again. I don't feel any nagging unresolved plot threads with their afterlife, and that any resolution has to be on Dean (and Sam and Sampa) accepting that their (still) gone. That the story needs to revolve around the living and the living-again, and the more I see Sampa, the more I wish they'd found some other, actually-never-been-dead relative.

Do you have citations for that?

I don't have time to listen to this JDM interview again right now, but if I remember correctly, he discusses SPN and says that he always hears that he's too busy to come back on the show but the truth is that he's never been asked. Also that he's not sure that he'd want to come back because he doesn't like the way the character has been mutated from what he originally understood him to be.

I know JDM doesn't like where John has gone. I just don't get why Kripke is supposed to dislike John. That's the citation I'm looking for, and JDM didn't answer that question either.

I mean, there might be no good narrative reason to have him back, and that's why he's not been asked. But that's an entirely different proposition.

Although if someone is going to kill him

Wow. Y'all are bloodthirstier than I, which is saying something. I've considered he should be shunned, but not killed.

I don't feel any nagging unresolved plot threads with their afterlife, and that any resolution has to be on Dean (and Sam and Sampa) accepting that their (still) gone.

Do we care where they are? I'd assumed heaven but it's been stated pretty clearly that we don't actually know.

And, personally, I'd like to know. If we aren't going to end with the Winchesters dying to save the world, hey, happy endings wouldn't suck.

I've considered he should be shunned, but not killed.

I'm so on Dean's side it's not funny. They'll probably not do it all vengey style like I might want--if it does happen, it'll be a battle with immediate peril, or maybe he'll change his mind at the last minute and redeem himself (and then sacrifice himself, natch).

But the idea of Dean hunting him down and killing him? I still wish Roy and Walt to come to an abrupt revenge-driven end. It's how my blood courses. Fucker tried to kill them both.