Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Dec 07, 2010 12:25:29 am PST #16345 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Five things it can't kill. And one is Lucifer. God may be a fair assumption, but it hasn't been stated.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 07, 2010 9:19:26 am PST #16346 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

On rewatch I found more skeevy things I kind of wish I hadn't, like Dean saying he would've let Cas have a round with Meg before killing her, and Crowley coming up with the classy "whore!" greeting as his insult-of-choice for a deadly enemy—though at least the actress made it look as if Meg was as sick of hearing the word as I am. And Meg's Ellen-esque stand to hold off the hellhounds while the others forged ahead didn't really ring true, since the whole kill Crowley mission was bound up in self-preservation for her. (If she'd started cooing to the hellhounds once the others were out of earshot and revealed they would obey her, it would have been awesome and more in character.)

As long as I'm rewriting things, while I cracked up at "I feel so clean!" I would have preceded it with "I hope you tipped him well." instead of "Well, A-plus for you."


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2010 2:48:16 pm PST #16347 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Someone on IO9 said she wanted John to come back and kill Sampa.

I would pass out three different ways just having JDM and Pileggi on the same screen, never mind righteous Sirful vengeance. That's just the best idea ever, and I'm sad it won't happen.


Beverly - Dec 07, 2010 3:37:15 pm PST #16348 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

We could do a twitter campaign? Um, a dumptruck full of salt and matches at the Burnaby studios? No, at the writers' offices in Burbank? I would love to see that, too. Sera might even go for it, but Kripke never would.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2010 3:38:14 pm PST #16349 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why would Kripke never go for it?


Beverly - Dec 07, 2010 3:46:56 pm PST #16350 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

My impression from interviews and comments, both from him and from other people, is that he seems to not want to cast John in a sympathetic light. Again, just an impression.

I think even if they did put together such a confrontation, they'd cast Cohen. It's logical, since young John actually knew Samuel, he died at Samuel's hands, and Mary made her deal with Azazel in Samuel's meatsuit. Older John, father to two grownass boys, doesn't have the same connection. Plus Cohen works cheaper.

But OMG, would I love to see JDM and Pileggi at odds on the same screen.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2010 4:01:56 pm PST #16351 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

he seems to not want to cast John in a sympathetic light

Do you have citations for that? Because he really fucked up in season 5. The Song Remains The Same was the most humanising and truly John moment he's had. God, it was brilliant. John was more of an ass in S3 and some of 4. 5, where judgmental Sam forgives him? Was like the his truly redeeming moment.

I'm not interested in Cohen killing Sampa. It's...well, I imagined John coming back from the dead, and it would be weird if he didn't come back looking like he died, just because that's how it works for me in my head. We know what he looks like post Death--we saw him kill Azazel.

And John, father to two kids is precisely who I want to kill Sampa. I want him to look Samuel in the face and say that he's a father too, and he loved Mary fiercely, and that's just wrong. Young John doesn't know these things, hasn't lived these things, and it wouldn't be a fuck yeah moment for me.


Amy - Dec 07, 2010 4:04:00 pm PST #16352 of 30002
Because books.

Young John doesn't know these things, hasn't lived these things, and it wouldn't be a fuck yeah moment for me.

I agree.

Although if someone is going to kill him, I sort of want it to be Dean. He's the one who's feeling the betrayal right now.


Beverly - Dec 07, 2010 4:15:16 pm PST #16353 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I know, that's what makes sense to me, too--both the coming back as he died--which, you know, makes the whole Mary thing of Samuel's so bizarre. Because wouldn't Mary come back as she left? Mother of two, a young matron, rather than a teenaged daughter?--and the father of two, rather than the young, expectant father, pretty much clueless about he occult. That wouldn't be a powerful confrontation at all.

I don't have sites on the Kripke thing, sorry. It's a cumulative impression of asides from several people, plus some between the lines things from Krip. He's been accused by many (fans and fan-critics, mostly) of loadng his own father issues onto the Winchesters.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2010 4:20:40 pm PST #16354 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because wouldn't Mary come back as she left? Mother of two, a young matron, rather than a teenaged daughter?

I don't get why that's bizarre. It's what I'd assumed. Why do you think something different?

I've seen people accuse Kripke of tarring John, but I've never seen a single quotation that made it seem like he disliked the character, and certainly nothing that would lead me to think he disliked him more than Sera specifically.

So, given the sympathetic and positive portrayal of him in the one appearance he had last season, I'm going to wait for evidence. It doesn't add up to me.