I've been out of the abbey two days, I've beaten a lawman senseless, I've fallen in with criminals. I watched the captain shoot the man I swore to protect. And I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong.

Book ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 12, 2010 8:27:46 pm PST #15777 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

And the boyfriend's brother for disturbing the peace.

Didn't he attack the woman that Lucky was cozying up to as part and parcel of his unruly behavior? That seems better justification for death-by-supernatural-pet than being an affable drunk or serving eviction notices over past-due rent.


Theresa - Nov 12, 2010 8:31:49 pm PST #15778 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

being an affable drunk

I thought Lucky was protecting the woman and the little boy more than the boyfriend. She was unhappy with the boyfriend's behavior, so Lucky took care of him, then crawled in bed with her and was rewarded by her calling him "the best boyfriend". I think Lucky had a crush.

Not saying jealousy is an alright motive. I just got the feeling that some of that played into the demise of the boyfriend.


§ ita § - Nov 12, 2010 8:53:27 pm PST #15779 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sam doesn't want Dean so much as he must have him to make things right. It's the closest he's going to allow a moral compass, and he's more than not going to take his lead when they're working towards a common goal if it's something Dean can feel about and he can't.

I love that, because Sam could wander off and not want his soul back. He could wander off and decide to get it by himself without interference, but he's decided to align himself to his one true navigator and go from there.


Morgana - Nov 12, 2010 9:49:56 pm PST #15780 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Did Dean see any of the anvils or was that just for the audience?

Dean did not see the interaction between Lucky and the woman at the end, no. But he really was identifying with Lucky in his role as an outsider brushed with the supernatural, and who was a part of a normal family and didn't want to lose that. He was saying something like "in your miserable life they were the only people who treated you decently" (I'm paraphrasing like crazy because I'm upstairs and the DVR is downstairs; sorry). "You killed anything that threatened them." He definitely identified with the guy, and he was seeing the woman and kid as more than ordinary civilians.

That's all I meant about hoping the writers don't see the final scene between Lucky/woman (WTH is her name?) as a mirror/substitute for closure between Dean/Lisa. They deserve an actual scene if it is to really end between them.


le nubian - Nov 13, 2010 3:49:54 am PST #15781 of 30002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Soulless Sam is happier

can you be happy without a soul?


Juliebird - Nov 13, 2010 3:57:14 am PST #15782 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I wouldn't call it happy, so much as the knowledge of an absence of pain, guilt, shame, responsibility, hunger, anger, frustration. While still being tied to emotional words, the closest thing I could say Sammy might be feeling is "relief". But then he also has the memories of the good stuff, and then what he'd be experiencing is "loss". I'm sure someone could phrase that better, using non-emotional words.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 13, 2010 3:58:31 am PST #15783 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's pretty clear that he can enjoy things in the moment, although abstract happiness is a dicier prospect.


ehab - Nov 13, 2010 4:12:30 am PST #15784 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

Huh. Now I'm worried show is going to have Sam somehow have Lisa and Ben's lives in his hands. Will he use them to manipulate Dean? No reason in his mind not to. He's said as much.


Laga - Nov 13, 2010 4:30:12 am PST #15785 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

The gag with the ball served no other purpose than to amuse himself. I think he's having a relatively good time. I bet, when the time comes, he won't be too eager to be reuinted with his soul.


§ ita § - Nov 13, 2010 4:32:47 am PST #15786 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If soulless Sam is more happy (or whatever's the equivalent), why is he trying to change his state?