The things I didn't like about the episode had nothing to do with Lisa. But when Dean ran back to the house and Lisa & Ben were missing I had a brief horrified moment when I thought, "o god they're in the refrigerator." But the show I love is Sam & Dean & the family business. Killing off Dean's adopted family is one way to get back there. Sometimes my appetite for entertainment doesn't align well with my feminism.
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Laga - Sep 25, 2010 10:42:41 am PDT #14198 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Morgana - Sep 25, 2010 10:46:27 am PDT #14199 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Killing off Dean's adopted family is one way to get back there. Sometimes my appetite for entertainment doesn't align well with my feminism.That would work, except then Dean would spend the rest of the season dealing with grief and guilt and really, the man's been coping with enough. I know everyone likes watching angsty Dean but that would be overload, I think.
Laga - Sep 25, 2010 10:52:21 am PDT #14200 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I dig the man pain but I think Dean will have man pain no matter what happens to him.
Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 11:00:28 am PDT #14201 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I think what I still don't like about the ep was the repeated "I wanted this life for you, you promised me, I stayed away so you could have it/I didn't tell you so you could have it*, now give it up!" and the overkill of the mockery from the Campbells. Were we being shown that the Campbells are mean unfriendly people, or was it more a matter of showcasing how different Dean's world was from theirs and how his used to be?
And while I giggled at the reminder that gramps has only been in modern times for a year (soccer moms, intranet), his diss about the golf clubs was completely incongruent. Dean's not golfing during a hunt, or going to a barbeque during the hunt, or any other domestic civilian things.
*still not getting how Dean knowing Sam was alive precludes him from continuing his life with Lisa. I mean, I get the assumption that their is the possibility that would take up hunting full time, but I don't see it as a given. And if they thought that Lisa and Ben were so important to Dean, even if, and especially if, for their own peace of mind, then they could simply have Sam refuse to hunt with Dean, or say that he's not hunting, I dunno.
Laga - Sep 25, 2010 11:04:03 am PDT #14202 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I guess Sam figured that he couldn't be back in Dean's life without Dean becoming awawe of how much shit was going down. But still, if there's a war on, don't you want your best soldier in the fight?
§ ita § - Sep 25, 2010 11:05:49 am PDT #14203 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
still not getting how Dean knowing Sam was alive precludes him from continuing his life with Lisa
Because Dean's an obsessive bastard and his obsession centres almost entirely around his brother? Because it was only when Lisa said "I need you to be a parent to Ben" (his Sam substitute) that he reconsidered leaving?
I think in that, they knew him well. He would have left. He knows he would have left. They didn't consider that he might have preferred to have left.
Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 11:09:20 am PDT #14204 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Got me there.
I kinda want to know more about the shit Lisa went through being a single mom that his presence in Ben's life is the best she's had. And I did love the familiar choreography they had with each other in the kitchen in the montage. What a wonderful shorthand.
Morgana - Sep 25, 2010 11:23:13 am PDT #14205 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Were we being shown that the Campbells are mean unfriendly people
It was just so over the top (the female cousin laughing at the magazine, for example - it was so derisive, and the way they all just spread out through the house pawing through his things so they could mock it all). It definitely does seem as though we're not supposed to like Samuel or the rest of the Campbells.
*still not getting how Dean knowing Sam was alive precludes him from continuing his life with Lisa
I always wondered why they couldn't have a home base, even before this issue. Now that Dean has Lisa and Ben it definitely becomes a question - why would they have to live a nomadic lifestyle? Bobby has a home. Pastor Jim did. Ellen and Bill did.
I do think if Sam had returned to Dean soon after the confrontation at Stull Dean would have packed up and taken off with him again. Sam was right about that. But after some time had passed and Dean had settled into his new life it was less certain that he would have automatically walked away from them.
SuziQ - Sep 25, 2010 11:24:50 am PDT #14206 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
I rewatched this morning and when Dean hugged Sam, Sam's expression was almost patronizing. "Go ahead, hug the stuffings out of me, I'll just wait until you are done". Just felt so wrong.
§ ita § - Sep 25, 2010 11:29:47 am PDT #14207 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I didn't take that away from Sam's look. I thought it was...something. Something reflecting that he had had the comfort this whole time knowing that Dean was alive, and in fact believing that Dean was happier than he had been than when they were together. So that this hug was for Dean, not for Sam.
Having Corin Nemec be a Campbell doesn't help me like them. He's got a smug mug.