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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Morgana - Sep 25, 2010 11:23:13 am PDT #14205 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Were we being shown that the Campbells are mean unfriendly people

It was just so over the top (the female cousin laughing at the magazine, for example - it was so derisive, and the way they all just spread out through the house pawing through his things so they could mock it all). It definitely does seem as though we're not supposed to like Samuel or the rest of the Campbells.

*still not getting how Dean knowing Sam was alive precludes him from continuing his life with Lisa

I always wondered why they couldn't have a home base, even before this issue. Now that Dean has Lisa and Ben it definitely becomes a question - why would they have to live a nomadic lifestyle? Bobby has a home. Pastor Jim did. Ellen and Bill did.

I do think if Sam had returned to Dean soon after the confrontation at Stull Dean would have packed up and taken off with him again. Sam was right about that. But after some time had passed and Dean had settled into his new life it was less certain that he would have automatically walked away from them.


SuziQ - Sep 25, 2010 11:24:50 am PDT #14206 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I rewatched this morning and when Dean hugged Sam, Sam's expression was almost patronizing. "Go ahead, hug the stuffings out of me, I'll just wait until you are done". Just felt so wrong.


§ ita § - Sep 25, 2010 11:29:47 am PDT #14207 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't take that away from Sam's look. I thought it was...something. Something reflecting that he had had the comfort this whole time knowing that Dean was alive, and in fact believing that Dean was happier than he had been than when they were together. So that this hug was for Dean, not for Sam.

Having Corin Nemec be a Campbell doesn't help me like them. He's got a smug mug.


Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 11:42:08 am PDT #14208 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

My second viewing, my gut reaction of "Sam is a cold-hearted meanie!" changed to viewing Sam as very reserved, with a lot of things roiling under the surface. He seems now, with the hug and everything else, to be holding back. Whether because there's an ocean's depth of wild emotion hidden beneath the calm surface . . . wow, I'm suddenly reminding myself of Mal, or at least how I wrote Mal in that one embarrassing(ly) epic fic --or something else, I don't know. But I'm still seeing love there. And in some scenes, a kind of, I dunno, tired and wise patience? Which I guess is a way to back into the "Sam being mean and humouring Dean by allowing the hug". Like maybe Sam's dealt with his shit and knows Dean has a lot of catching up to do.


Typo Boy - Sep 25, 2010 12:19:09 pm PDT #14209 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I still think it could be numbness from hell. Just because he did not suffer as long as Dean does not mean torture could not break him. In real life people can get permanent mental damage from a few hours of torture. I don't see numbness from days or weeks of torture in hell that included Lucifer attacking him from inside as being implausible. (I love how we take possession by Lucifer and going bodily to hell as inherently plausible. Oh show. )


ehab - Sep 25, 2010 12:57:20 pm PDT #14210 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

So I almost posted this earlier but deleted it, but since you all are talking about it.

Jared gives a Sam expression that looks (unintentionally I believe) like a smirk and often it leaves me befuddled as to what he's thinking and often feels inappropriate to the moment.

Regardless, Sam does not wear his feelings out in the open on his face like Dean and I think there's a lot of context we're missing right now (about Sam) and it's damn difficult to interpret what's going on with him.

The Campbells seem to be relatives from hell, and yes, I am including you old man.

I'd chose Lisa and Ben too.


Typo Boy - Sep 25, 2010 2:34:14 pm PDT #14211 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The Campbells seem to be relatives from hell, and yes, I am including you old man.

Possibly literally.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 25, 2010 3:01:56 pm PDT #14212 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

We do only have Grandpa Campbell's word that he got pulled down to the world of the living simultaneously with Sam being pulled up, after all...


Typo Boy - Sep 25, 2010 3:07:27 pm PDT #14213 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Similarly, we only have Grandpa Campbell and cousin's words that they are not among the resurrected. The explanation of why Dean and Sam never heard of them before seems a little facile.


Amy - Sep 25, 2010 3:42:39 pm PDT #14214 of 30002
Because books.

Mo Ryan's review of 6.01.