I'm sorry. You were going to ask me to choose, right? Did you want to finish?

Zoe ,'War Stories'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


lcat - Sep 25, 2010 9:34:06 am PDT #14189 of 30002
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

What I think is interesting is that Sam is doing what Dean tried to do - leave the past behind and move on to the here and now - and is apparently being successful at it when Dean wasn't. Even before Hell, Sam was much better compartmentalizing his emotions, which I think is his basic nature amplified by the months spent after Mystery Spot. I like how the show keeps reminding us that, despite what the boys both claimed in Season 1, Sam is John's son and Dean is Mary's.


Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 9:37:04 am PDT #14190 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Eps finally up on iTunes, so I was able to watch the YED scene, and Sam stabs the needle through the hallucination into Dean's chest.

Also, man, that's a heavy barn coat he's wearing.


Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 9:51:29 am PDT #14191 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

bacon and eggs: Sam is absolutely fascinating to watch. All these strange undefineable minute expressions and reactions. He's still scary and mean, but also intriguing.


Morgana - Sep 25, 2010 10:01:07 am PDT #14192 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Sam' post-hell cold shut-down and dismissal.

That I'll grant you, that Sam obviously didn't want to talk about his experience any more than Dean had wanted to talk about what he had gone through.

I tend to be more sympathetic to reactions like "I hurt and can't share, and I'm trying to protect myself by being glib" than reactions of "I shall revert to coldness and meanness and anger and make you feel bad about it".

But I didn't really see Sam being mean or angry or trying to make Dean feel bad. He just said he didn't want to talk about it because he was back now. It was a really short interchange because they went running off to the neighbors' house before it could go any further.

edit - But I do remember being struck by the irony of it being Dean who was asking for the "let's talk about our feelings/let's have a care-and-share conversation," seeing as how he always avoided them in the past.


Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 10:11:54 am PDT #14193 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I'm rewatching and I'm seeing so much more in JP's performance than I did last night. And I'm wondering if that his need to not think or talk about Hell caused a coping mechanism that shuts down or numbs all his other emotions. That in order not to feel that one thing, he's not feeling these other things, hence his need for someone to be emotional for him, his need for Dean to be his moral compass, because he's retreated into desensitized logic. And so his refusing the impala is perhaps because something so powerful as to give him the strength to beat the devil would be powerful enough to collapse the protections he has up.

truck by the irony of it being Dean who was asking for the "let's talk about our feelings/let's have a care-and-share conversation,"

Right?!

Also, Sam's hair was pretty fab in that final scene.

Also also, how straining must it have been for JA to shoot an entire episode where it sounds like he's going to choke off into sobs at any moment?


Laga - Sep 25, 2010 10:16:04 am PDT #14194 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

D scared me by wondering if the show felt different because Sera is trying to take it in a different direction. Earlier yesterday I had said, "wouldn't it be awful if they introduce a female character with agency and she ends up somehow ruining things." I really was joking.

After the show was over we joined in a drinking game with our housemates. D got more wasted than I think I have ever seen him. Today he says he was mourning for the show. Oh man, it wasn't that bad, was it?


Juliebird - Sep 25, 2010 10:20:10 am PDT #14195 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think the title cards could use less sparkle? But maybe that's a lead up to a gag? --are ep titles really spoilery?


Laga - Sep 25, 2010 10:21:20 am PDT #14196 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

§ ita § - Sep 25, 2010 10:29:33 am PDT #14197 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Episode titles are spoilery, so Laga, you need to delete.

"wouldn't it be awful if they introduce a female character with agency and she ends up somehow ruining things." I really was joking.

I really don't get that. I've probably been the loudest complainer about Dean/Lisa here, and I totally don't get that. But I also don't see why someone would drink to mourn a show, so it's possibly I'm actually underinvested. I didn't see anything like the end of an era here, and I'm oddly offended at the sentiment that it might have to do with gender.

Hey, maybe not that underinvested after all.


Laga - Sep 25, 2010 10:42:41 am PDT #14198 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

The things I didn't like about the episode had nothing to do with Lisa. But when Dean ran back to the house and Lisa & Ben were missing I had a brief horrified moment when I thought, "o god they're in the refrigerator." But the show I love is Sam & Dean & the family business. Killing off Dean's adopted family is one way to get back there. Sometimes my appetite for entertainment doesn't align well with my feminism.