Gabriel/Loki question: Was Loki always Gabriel? Or did Gabriel kill him and take his place? Anyone read any interesting speculation on that front?
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§ ita § - Sep 24, 2010 12:14:31 pm PDT #14071 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Anne W. - Sep 24, 2010 12:15:45 pm PDT #14072 of 30002
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Amy - Sep 24, 2010 12:36:41 pm PDT #14073 of 30002
Because books.
Was Loki always Gabriel? Or did Gabriel kill him and take his place?
I've wondered about that, too. Now that we've seen the other gods in action, and they're part of the SPN 'verse, you have to assume the original Loki is gone, or folks would know there were two of them.
§ ita § - Sep 24, 2010 12:41:24 pm PDT #14074 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Elsewhere I saw it suggested that Gabriel was always Loki. And also that Gabriel imprisoned Loki and took his place, and now Loki can break free and wreak his revenge.
Which is a brilliant way to get RSJr back--someone call Sera.
I liked the idea that Gabe killed him, but if we could get a Loki back, that would be cool. Especially a pissed off one.
DebetEsse - Sep 24, 2010 12:45:06 pm PDT #14075 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.
I have this story in my head where Gabriel runs off to what-will-be-Europe, and eventually runs into some Germanic tribes, and they start calling him Loki, but you can't just have a trickster. A trickster needs context, other supernatural beings to trick, so the whole mythology builds up, with him as the seed. And, of course, once you hit critical belief mass (under the American Gods theory), you get your gods.
Amy - Sep 24, 2010 12:46:05 pm PDT #14076 of 30002
Because books.
I liked the idea that Gabe killed him, but if we could get a Loki back, that would be cool. Especially a pissed off one.
Especially since he called "witness protection," it does seem like he was suggesting more of a "hide in plain sight" strategy than creating a new persona.
And yeah, getting Loki back would be a lot of fun. Although I think he would be angriest at Gabriel, who isn't there to take revenge on.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 24, 2010 1:26:16 pm PDT #14077 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Gabriel/Loki question: Was Loki always Gabriel? Or did Gabriel kill him and take his place? Anyone read any interesting speculation on that front?
I think it's more elegant if Gabriel was always Loki and the other gods just never figured out that One of These Things Is Not Like the Others.
Of course, an interesting possibility might be that Gabriel's vessel, instead of being a human being, was the actual Norse god.
§ ita § - Sep 24, 2010 1:28:17 pm PDT #14078 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Gabriel's vessel, instead of being a human being, was the actual Norse god.
Then you have to wonder why Loki would believe in angels and give consent to possession. Could be quite the crisis of faith and rebellion against his father.
Technically, if Loki was always Gabriel, we have canon interspecies MPREG, but I'd really like to have it onscreen, thanks.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 24, 2010 1:32:44 pm PDT #14079 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
His father Laufey? In the mythology, Loki is Odin's blood brother, not his adopted son like in the comic books.
Typo Boy - Sep 24, 2010 1:33:18 pm PDT #14080 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Loki is not son of Odin. Son of a giant (personification of the wild fire) and an entity who is either a giantess or a goddess.