Blind Spot: whoa, good whump. The worst of it was for the most part non-explicit and implied subtley, or simply left to the imagination, and broken up through the narrative via flashbacks/dreams, so it's not overwhelming. And yet still: oh god the pain!

I was very late for work finishing it. I still can't believe that was the story that started with Dean gassing Sam out of the car. I kinda want a sequel, to see how Dean going to and coming back from hell is dealt with in light of this take on season 3 (because I'm mean and don't want Dean to get out of his crossroads deal in this 'verse).

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eta: I'm definitely going to have to finish Blind Spot, then. I'm three or four chapters in so far, and Dean's hurting pretty good. The other story added Dark!Sam to the mix, and I just don't trust the author, so I'm ditching it.

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Wow.

I don't even...

For the first time the other day I read a fan defending incest. I don't know what fandom they were in, but I was startled. Usually what I've read is "It's FICTION, fool. And a kink. Leave me alone." But this person was all "Who are you to tell me I can't sleep with my siblings or parents???"

It was kinda weird and most people left them alone.

It was kinda weird and most people left them alone.

That's one taboo I don't think anyone is overturning anytime soon, I have to say.

I think Heinlein addressed incest in a few of his books. His approach seemed to be that incest reinforced genetic problems and was therefore wrong. One of his stories involved a brother and sister who were designed to be genetic problem-free, and he wrote them living happily ever after with one another. I read that when I was around 12, and even then I thought Heinlein might be overlooking a concern or two.

Gay incest avoids the genetic concerns neatly enough (unless you throw in mpreg). My problem's always been more with the probable power imbalances and emotional health issues. I could see an argument that SPN's not overflowing with emotional health, especially for the leads, and I could see an argument for incest stories growing out of that, although they wouldn't be my first choice for reading. But Sam/Dean curtainfic? No. All squick issues aside, I just can't buy it.

I think it's interesting the way most fic writers address Wincest, too (talking only about Sam/Dean here, because I can't go anywhere else). In probably 85% of stories, Sam is painted as the one who pushes to make their relationship sexual, and at a young age, which sort of neatly (is that possible?) takes away the problem of power, both in making him younger, and therefore presumably less powerful in the relationship, and not yet larger/stronger physically than Dean, too.

Why does Sam, who wants to be so normal, push for a sexual relationship with a family member? I don't quite get that characterisation?

I mean, we know the normal ship has sailed, but everything I think about his teen years I'd guess he would be against anything like that.

Later, when he's given up on normal--well, I still think it's OOC, and hella squicky--it seems less wild.

That's the stumbling block, ita, in terms of characterization. And most people don't really explore it, except to make Dean his sun, moon, and stars, make him more gay than straight, and sort of claim Dean as the one true thing he *has*.

An aside from the present convo: I watched the Ralph Macchio movie Crossroad (don't judge me. It was there, okay?), and it wasn't even as good as I remembered it. However, I was amused to note there was a bar called Lloyd's in the movie. I can guess Kripke used it as another pop culture tribute.