Well of course it's anti-

All the stuff that traumatised me as a child was anti- too. That's not the point. To this day, I can't tell you if Amistad was a good movie, for instance. I spent the whole thing crying. I just couldn't deal. I was a wreck. It's not entertainment for me. No matter how critical.

"characters who look like, and possibly share mannerisms with,"

I like it when the mannerisms etc change, so there's no appeal in RPF for me. I'd rather a contorted AU of the show verse. The idea of associating any of Jeremy Sisto's mannerisms much less his name to a slave owner (I have no idea if he's a conflicted one or not--just using him because you mentioned it) plays into two areas of discomfort for me.

I can sympathize with your point of view. Won't be bringing it up again.

A lot of the adjustments to being female fics leave me wondering if I'm a real woman.

I think some of the changes wouldn't necessarily originate *with* Dean or Sam, though, but more likely from John. If Dean is his young teenage daughter with those eyes and that mouth? There's bound to be less leaving her on her own, for one. Just as an example.

I think like I was saying with Dead Language and Sam's character there, the core building blocks of both Dean and Sam's personality would be in place, but does that manifest differently if you're a girl? And even if it doesn't, do those choices get judged differently?

Say girl!Dean is just as sexual a creature as her male counterpart. Now is she just a healthy, really frigging attractive young person letting off steam after a hunt? Or is she a slut?

This is why it's strictly an intellectual exercise for me, though. The fic that would result doesn't seem at all fun, really.

I think some of the changes wouldn't necessarily originate *with* Dean or Sam, though, but more likely from John.

Oh, most of the adjustment trope is in the cursed-to-female genre. The things presumably female writers put in as the difference between male and female make me wonder.

Would John be perceptive enough to not leave Deanna alone? Dean was painfully pretty. Deanna would have a gun. I'm not sure how much I'd attribute to him on that front. But I would imagine that Deanna would be...well, there's a reason I've seen Katee Sackhoff cast as female!Dean. Early BSG Starbuck, for sure. Really quite aggressive and combative and not conventionally feminine--but gorgeous. More combative than Dean, because the chip would be bigger, and the training would have been more hard core.

And I'd also see Sam as more exaggerated too, in his direction. Capable, sure, but perhaps exacerbated cravings towards gender norms.

Or is she a slut?

Well, I call Dean a slut, so I'd call Deanna one too. But it doesn't mean she's a tramp. It's quite possible these semantics are personal.

It's hard to know! But I think part of it for me is, I already saw that story played out with Buffy -- girl saves world. So I like that Dean and Sam are boys.

And I'd also see Sam as more exaggerated too, in his direction. Capable, sure, but perhaps exacerbated cravings towards gender norms.

Oh, that's interesting. Hmmm.

Well, I call Dean a slut, so I'd call Deanna one too.

Yeah, I guess a lot of people do. It's hard to know what to call it when you don't think a little casual consensual sex is a bad thing, though, because "slut" sounds so negative.

because "slut" sounds so negative.

I'm on a mission to reclaim the term. And, honestly, applying it to guys seems to be the only way. In my head you can slut around and not have any self-esteem issues, or even be trying to fill any emotional holes in your life. You like sex! You're not doing anything shady or manipulative to get it.

Other terms like tramp, etc (which still have gender connotations I'd like to remove) I think of as more damaged or malevolent.

I think historically slut probably has plenty of gender connotations, but I get what you mean.

And yeah, Dean is hardly shady about sex. I think one of my favorite exchanges was in Wendigo, when Haley said, "Must you cheapen the moment?" and he said, "Yeah!" His honesty is pretty refreshing.

Ailleann and I concocted the funniest scenario with him and Bones. Because even as direct as Dean could be, it would still probably confuse Bones at first.

Bones: "Oh, you mean we should have sex!"

Dean, smirking: "Uh, yeah. You're something else, lady."

His honesty is pretty refreshing.

Which is why, as a woman with commitment issues, I find him so compellingly attractive.

Okay, part of why. There is that face and that body and that fighting and that crying. But it contributes.

Would John be perceptive enough to not leave Deanna alone? Dean was painfully pretty. Deanna would have a gun. I'm not sure how much I'd attribute to him on that front. But I would imagine that Deanna would be...well, there's a reason I've seen Katee Sackhoff cast as female!Dean. Early BSG Starbuck, for sure. Really quite aggressive and combative and not conventionally feminine--but gorgeous. More combative than Dean, because the chip would be bigger, and the training would have been more hard core.

I don't think he'd be perceptive enough, frankly. And I think that Deanna would have even more crap to repress and pretend was okay than Dean. And, man, I need to stop thinking about this before I'm fetal again!

Poisontaster's A Kept Boy is an absolutely beautifully done slave fic. It's a long, multi-chap WIP

Very long. I started reading it based on a rec from someone I trusted, because I rarely, rarely read RPF. I gave up once that chapter numbers got into the 70's, because I don't think she has any kind of outline in mind, I think she's just dragging it out. At that point Jeff the rich, reluctant playboy with the stable of loving slaves had yet to take Jensen to bed or believe that Jensen was in love with him, and I realized it would take another 50 or 60 chapters to get to that point.

Say girl!Dean is just as sexual a creature as her male counterpart. Now is she just a healthy, really frigging attractive young person letting off steam after a hunt? Or is she a slut?

I read that story not that long ago! And damned if I can remember where. Sam and Dean were in high school, and Dean had for some reason been turned for a short time into a girl. They moved to a new school, and he was perfectly content. Until he came home upset about breaking up with his boyfriend. (And the interaction between the young teen Sam and the awkward John over how to deal with Dean was amusing. Sam suggests giving Dean ice cream would help.) Dean blurted out something about having slept with the swim team.... the entire swim team?!? Well yeah. And John is shocked. And Dean points out in a reasonable tone that at the last school (when he was a male) when he slept with the entire cheerleading squad John didn't think twice about it, so what's the difference?