'Lessons'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
I can't agree that trying to influence someone's choice, even in annoying ways, is the same as removing their ability to choose.
But Prager isn't in favor of women having a choice in the matter at all - in his universe, sex on demand forever is something a man buys with a wedding ring. Saying "I do" is the last consent she ever gets to give.
Did I mention "Yuck," yet? Because if I haven't, I want to. A lot. I have heard there are women that withhold to get men to buy/ do things too. Which I also think is yuck.
in his universe, sex on demand forever is something a man buys with a wedding ring
He did say a No should be respected, but he also insinuated that the acquiescence to the No would be accompanied by a mega-pout and foot scuffing. IE, whiny three-year-old wanting a cookie. IE2, insulting to properly evolved men.
Yeah, my response wasn't about Prager, who is clearly a misguided, misogynistic asshole. I was generalizing about Teppy'd assertions about coercion, because it's an interesting topic.
Totally. When I was fifteen, Stepmonster gave me a sex talk that basically ended with "You're going to have to do it even when you don't feel like it." I wish she'd married Dennis Prager.
So if the man isn't putting out enough for his wife, does she get to have a mega-pout and scuff her feet, too? Or does the wife never get horny in Prager's universe?
I'm not ignorant of other ways in which people can be abused or exploited in a relationship. I just can't put "whining until you get your way" in that category.
You don't have to.
I respect that other people think it's fine to nag and cajole and wheedle a partner into sex.
...I see.
I'm sure you do.
Or does the wife never get horny in Prager's universe?
Oh heavens no! That would make her...
::lowers voice to whisper::
a whore.
Sounds like she closes her eyes and thinks of right wing America, Calli.
He did say a No should be respected
But only after 4 pages of "saying no to sex without a doctor's note will DESTROY YOUR HUSBAND'S FRAGILE MANHOOD and he'll be forced by his base animal nature to divorce you, you horrible emasculating bitch." There's a big "but" at the end of that sentence that pretty much nullifies the lip service being paid to consent.
The threat of "if you don't put out, he'll know you don't love him and he'll leave you" is exactly the kind of emotional blackmail that leads to more explicit kinds of verbal and physical abuse.