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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Strega - Dec 31, 2008 9:41:10 am PST #8823 of 10002

Wouldn't that totally depend on when you went to sleep?

I think cortisol is one of those light-triggered hormones, so the amount of sleep doesn't matter. But then, the time isn't actually the issue either.

Oh. And now I'm looking at the link in that article, and the "peak at 7 AM" is based on a study of six people. From 1976. (I don't think the actual study was claiming this fact should be extrapolated to all of humanity.) And the other two links are to articles from 2006 and last March. So, wow, Wired. Way to be cutting-edge.


Hil R. - Dec 31, 2008 9:43:49 am PST #8824 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Also, he seems to think that there's some sort of epidemic of women constantly refusing to have sex with their husbands. Like, not just once in a while, but that, in most marriages, it happens pretty regularly that the husband wants to have sex and the wife says no. Now, I've never been married, but it doesn't seem likely to me that this is the norm of married life.

Also, the reason he cites pretty frequently for why a woman might not want to have sex is that she's tired from taking care of the kids. It seems like a better solution to this problem would be for the husband to take over some of the childcare stuff, like bathtime and tucking into bed, thus leaving the wife some time to rest, and thus not be too tired for sex. His solution is that the wife should have sex even though she's tired.


Strega - Dec 31, 2008 9:49:05 am PST #8825 of 10002

I can't agree that trying to influence someone's choice, even in annoying ways, is the same as removing their ability to choose.


erikaj - Dec 31, 2008 9:52:58 am PST #8826 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

God, he wrote a Part 2.! Seriously, feministing and pandagon link. For myself wouldn't say that is rape, necessarily, but closer than I want to um, come to it. Yucch. And like I said,there's more.


Scrappy - Dec 31, 2008 9:56:59 am PST #8827 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I can't agree that trying to influence someone's choice, even in annoying ways, is the same as removing their ability to choose.

Me neither. I have been known to importune and push a bit to get my way and if J gives in, I don't see it as taking away his choice. If not for some determined endless annoying on my part, he never would have seen Dr. Who or listened to Crowded House. On my side, I only eat salads because he nags me incessantly feels deeply about it.


Steph L. - Dec 31, 2008 9:57:59 am PST #8828 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I can't agree that trying to influence someone's choice, even in annoying ways, is the same as removing their ability to choose.

I said *dubious* consent. I didn't call it rape. I didn't call it removing someone's ability to choose. Let's get that very clear.

There are a lot of gray areas when it comes to sex and power. When you say "yes" not because you want to be intimate with someone else, but because "no" is disregarded, I, personally, consider that dubious consent.

A "no" can be disregarded in ways other than physical violence. Sometimes your only choice is to give him what he wants so he'll leave you alone.

And a choice that some women might be comfortable making -- okay, I'll have sex with him, then I can get some sleep -- might make other women deeply uncomfortable.

My opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs, and I respect that other people think it's fine to nag and cajole and wheedle a partner into sex. I don't. My. Opinion.


Hil R. - Dec 31, 2008 10:02:30 am PST #8829 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, what he seems to be advocating is the woman agreeing to disregard her own choice. Which, once you combine "advocate," "agree," and "disregard," seems like a weird area, consent-wise.


erikaj - Dec 31, 2008 10:02:51 am PST #8830 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Ok, even if Mr. Prager himself is not a SuperSekrit Rapist, I'm not so sure that this wasn't incredibly irresponsible for him to write. Cause some fanboy could "Take what was his," You know what I mean?


tommyrot - Dec 31, 2008 10:09:28 am PST #8831 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Marinating steak in beer or wine 'reduces cancer chemicals'

I'm getting hungry....


Calli - Dec 31, 2008 10:20:14 am PST #8832 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Maybe one should chase the steak with a little more beer or wine at dinner. Just in case.