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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


lori - Dec 31, 2008 7:05:57 am PST #8793 of 10002

That shopping center that the Obamas were at (in the article tommyrot linked) was my growing-up shopping center. Koko Marina, just down the street from my house from 6th grade on.

Surreal.

t eta just read the rest of the article - aww! They went to Sea Life Park! I went there often as a kid.


Hil R. - Dec 31, 2008 7:09:50 am PST #8794 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

What strikes me about that article is how completely he's defining sex as something a woman gives and a man takes. Not an act, but a commodity. He repeated uses phrasing like "gives her body to him," but never once mentions that the woman is supposed to get anything out of it, other than what the man will give her in exchange.

Also, the "of course men are animals" thing. I love how often "men are animals who are controlled by their sexual urges unless women civilize them" and "women are controlled by emotion, while men are logical and rational" seem to come from the same people.

Plus the illogic of his argument -- if wives don't have sex with their husbands often enough, then the husbands will have sex with other women. What other women? In his argument, women don't get anything out of sex except for the benefits of marriage, so what woman, in his world, would be willing to sleep with any man other than her husband? Taking his argument only about half a step beyond where he takes it, the only women possible in the world are wives, wannabe wives, and prostitutes.


Jessica - Dec 31, 2008 7:13:58 am PST #8795 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Plus the illogic of his argument -- if wives don't have sex with their husbands often enough, then the husbands will have sex with other women. What other women? In his argument, women don't get anything out of sex except for the benefits of marriage, so what woman, in his world, would be willing to sleep with any man other than her husband?

He's arguing in favor of marital rape. Why would you assume these hypothetical "other women" have any greater say in the matter than the hypothetical wives?


Hil R. - Dec 31, 2008 7:16:18 am PST #8796 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

He's arguing in favor of marital rape. Why would you assume these hypothetical "other women" have any greater say in the matter than the hypothetical wives?

OK, true. He also says that every man goes through a "heroic" effort every day to not cheat on his wife, again raising the question of, "Really? Every single day you have an opportunity for extramarital sex and you turn it down?"


sarameg - Dec 31, 2008 7:17:38 am PST #8797 of 10002

lisah, did you know if you email our vet, they'll call you back? How awesome is that? (I emailed about the torn claw.)


Jessica - Dec 31, 2008 7:21:24 am PST #8798 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Serious Eats makes it official - Bacon is the Ingredient of the Year.


brenda m - Dec 31, 2008 7:27:12 am PST #8799 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Man, I don't want bacon tainted with the stink of 2008.


Jessica - Dec 31, 2008 7:28:30 am PST #8800 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

He also says that every man goes through a "heroic" effort every day to not cheat on his wife, again raising the question of, "Really? Every single day you have an opportunity for extramarital sex and you turn it down?"

Well, men are animals and women are property. So anytime a man passes a woman on the street and doesn't rape her, he's making a heroic effort not to cheat on his wife. Once you stop thinking of women as people, it really is all quite logical.

And now if you'll excuse me, I have to go vomit.


flea - Dec 31, 2008 7:37:10 am PST #8801 of 10002
information libertarian

For Jesse: Quinoa is the next food fad (salted caramel is the current one): [link]


msbelle - Dec 31, 2008 7:40:24 am PST #8802 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

And now if you'll excuse me, I have to go vomit.

let me hold your hair.

I continued to be astonished at how angry I get at people. Then I am astonished at how rarely public people like this are killed. Not kidding.