Wesley: Perhaps the whole point of this experiment is hair. Gunn: I vote he's not in charge.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Dec 24, 2008 8:14:07 am PST #7804 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

OK, how about the "Ferengi = space Jews" connection?

I don't remember Ferengi in A Charlie Brown Christmas.

Or was that Rudolph? (Actually, Hermy seems like a Ferengi in really good human makeup...)

I heard the author on (I think) Talk of the Nation yesterday, and I found it really interesting that A Charlie Brown Christmas was almost universally approved for Jewish kids, given that it's the most undistilled, straight-from-the-New-Testament Jesus-y theme of all the kids' Christmas shows.

I think that that's what makes it approved, really. None of the stuff about "all the children" waiting for Santa, or anything like that. Christmas as a Christian holiday sits much more comfortably than Christmas as a secular holiday.

Okay, that makes sense, now that I think about it -- like, the specials WITHOUT Jesus try to make it seem like Christmas is totally secular and therefore EVERYONE should celebrate it. And then Jewish people say, "Buh?"

Why does Emmett need a tux?

He doesn't need one, but he loves to dress up. He loved the tux he got for our wedding, wore it to pieces, and has recently been falling in love with the entire James Bond mythos. He longs for the brooding and elegance and adventure and attitude, and so he wants a tux. And, based on past Emmett experience, I have no doubt that once he gets it he will find, or make, a reason to wear it.

Emmett is made of 100% awesome. I mean it.

I was and still am surprised when I see anti-Catholic sentiments.

I was raised Catholic, in a very Catholic city, and it wasn't until I joined the FAC (a non-denominational evangelical Protestant church) that I ever heard anyone suggest that Catholics aren't Christians.

(Of course, they also pretty much believed that any other people who claimed to be Christians -- but weren't in the FAC -- probably weren't *actually* Christians.

No, seriously.

And yet it took me 4 years to leave them, despite the fact that when a group claims to be the ONLY "true believers," that's a strong-ass sign of being a cult.

Good times.)


Kat - Dec 24, 2008 8:16:06 am PST #7805 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

(My dad has an anti-Catholic bias that affected me as well.)

Ugh. It slays me that my students really believe that Catholics aren't Christian. It shows such an ignorance of religion, history, beliefs just....ignorance that I can't..... I don't know. When asked why they think that they say things like, "Because catholics worship Mary." UGH.

I often point out that christianity is an umbrella and that beneath that are Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants. And then a whole bunch of groups under those.


Hil R. - Dec 24, 2008 8:16:45 am PST #7806 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The other guy? I suspect he's your ignorant-ass officemate?

Nope. Officemate is a religious Catholic. He does not like secularized Christmas. This person was very non-religious, and trying to justify his own celebration of Christmas -- the argument seemed to be, "I'm not Christian, and I celebrate Christmas, therefore Christmas (except for the Jesusy parts) isn't Christian, therefore there's no reason for you to not celebrate Christmas."


Hil R. - Dec 24, 2008 8:17:42 am PST #7807 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Okay, that makes sense, now that I think about it -- like, the specials WITHOUT Jesus try to make it seem like Christmas is totally secular and therefore EVERYONE should celebrate it. And then Jewish people say, "Buh?"

Exactly.


Steph L. - Dec 24, 2008 8:18:02 am PST #7808 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Our biggest client is headquartered in Houston. At the beginning of each day, someone goes on the PA to lead the company in prayer. One of my bosses (who is Jewish) talked to them about this - my boss told then he had no problem with an ecumenical prayer, but since their prayers explicitly mentioned Jesus they were non-inclusive to those who weren't Christian. The response that he got was to the effect that "America is 98% Christian, so if the prayer is not inclusive to those 2% who aren't, that's just too bad."

All y'all know that Big!Boss is a fundie. Our company is less than 20 people, 2 of whom are Jewish (that would be >10%). Yet every year at the company Christmas dinner, Big!Boss gives a speech about the company not *really* belonging to him but instead belonging to God, and then he -- every year, without fail -- makes some reference to "being Christians," stumbles over his words, tries to recover by saying something like "all of us who believe in you, Lord," (because, theoretically, Jews and Christians believe in the same God the Father, if not Jesus the son) (and anyway, I don't even know that it's necessarily true that all of the employees actually believe in God or any god). Every year.

Of course, he's also the one who tried to strong-arm the Jewish employees into seeing that gory Passion of the Christ movie with the dude with the weird last name. Big!Boss has no shame. And is damned lucky nobody is feeling litigious.


Lee - Dec 24, 2008 8:20:05 am PST #7809 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I just went to peek at the puppy cam, for old times sake, and they are showing pre-recorded video, with at least 4 puppies.


tommyrot - Dec 24, 2008 8:21:25 am PST #7810 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've never heard my dad say that Catholics aren't Christians. I guess he feels that they stray from... the word of God in the Bible, or something.

My parents' church believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible (Lutheran church, Missouri Synod) but I wouldn't consider the church to be fundamentalist.


juliana - Dec 24, 2008 8:21:34 am PST #7811 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

"I'm not Christian, and I celebrate Christmas, therefore Christmas (except for the Jesusy parts) isn't Christian, therefore there's no reason for you to not celebrate Christmas."

Oy. Dude must not be comfortable with himself or his traditions, then. One can celebrate/co-opt Christmas in one's own secular/agnostic/pagan way, but there's really no denying that Christmas is at root a Christian holiday, Jesus-y parts and all.

Anyhoodle.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 24, 2008 8:23:15 am PST #7812 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

HMOG, new tenant across from me had an extremely noisy group of friends over at 2 a.m. last night stomping, banging doors, and having a near-yelling conversation in the hall 5 feet outside my bedroom.

When I was telling them to get the fuck out of the building, apparently the expression on my face was enough to make the last guy down the stairs flinch and run.


tommyrot - Dec 24, 2008 8:23:27 am PST #7813 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

ION, I think "Anyhoodle" would be a good name for a poodle.