Joyce: You don't think it's too obvious? I think I look like I have a cat on my head. Buffy: But a very well groomed cat. Joyce: Well that's a comfort.

'Bring On The Night'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


juliana - Dec 24, 2008 8:21:34 am PST #7811 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

"I'm not Christian, and I celebrate Christmas, therefore Christmas (except for the Jesusy parts) isn't Christian, therefore there's no reason for you to not celebrate Christmas."

Oy. Dude must not be comfortable with himself or his traditions, then. One can celebrate/co-opt Christmas in one's own secular/agnostic/pagan way, but there's really no denying that Christmas is at root a Christian holiday, Jesus-y parts and all.

Anyhoodle.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 24, 2008 8:23:15 am PST #7812 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

HMOG, new tenant across from me had an extremely noisy group of friends over at 2 a.m. last night stomping, banging doors, and having a near-yelling conversation in the hall 5 feet outside my bedroom.

When I was telling them to get the fuck out of the building, apparently the expression on my face was enough to make the last guy down the stairs flinch and run.


tommyrot - Dec 24, 2008 8:23:27 am PST #7813 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

ION, I think "Anyhoodle" would be a good name for a poodle.


Kat - Dec 24, 2008 8:24:20 am PST #7814 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

but there's really no denying that Christmas is at root a Christian holiday, Jesus-y parts and all.

Except for the parts (tree, lights, yule log) that were co-opted from pagans.

I'm not religious at all and I'm raising my kids with Christmas. But I'd be hard pressed to assume that anyone should do the same if their beliefs don't jive with christmas stuff.


juliana - Dec 24, 2008 8:27:12 am PST #7815 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Except for the parts (tree, lights) that were co-opted from pagans.

Which I know. There's a lot about Easter that's co-opted from pagans, too. I'm just saying (as a firm agnostic) that Christmas has always felt like a Christian holiday in the larger American context, even though my non-religious family celebrates it.


Steph L. - Dec 24, 2008 8:28:14 am PST #7816 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I've never heard my dad say that Catholics aren't Christians. I guess he feels that they stray from... the word of God in the Bible, or something.

The Catholic bible has more books in it than the Protestant bible does -- that's one point of contention.

Then there's the tricky bit about the difference between what Catholic doctrine says versus what Protestant doctrine says about what actually happens when the communion host is consecrated by the priest. Catholics believe in transubstantiation, which means that it literally becomes the body of Christ, no shit, something that freaks out every Catholic schoolkid making their First Communion. Except the Bart Simpson-esque ones, I'm sure. Protestants believe in (I think I have the correct term) consubstantation, which is a little more metaphysical in that it means that Christ's *presence* is somehow a part of the communion host, without it actually *becoming* the body of Christ.

(At this point, I'm sure at least 4 Buffistas who know WAY more about theology are going to rip apart my explanation point by point, but at least I gave it a shot.)

Then there's the whole bit where Catholics do worship Mary and other saints, which Protestants generally don't. I've heard it called "idol worship" by nasty Protestants.


Barb - Dec 24, 2008 8:28:39 am PST #7817 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Well, if I'm going to write a letter to Santa, I'd probably write something like, Dear Santa, when I grow up, can I look like Christina Hendricks?

Pretty please?

Love,

Me.

Good God, but that woman is gorgeous.


Steph L. - Dec 24, 2008 8:29:47 am PST #7818 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

There's a lot about Easter that's co-opted from pagans, too.

"Kids eat chocolate eggs because of the color of the chocolate and the...color of the wood on the cross? Well, you tell me!"


Barb - Dec 24, 2008 8:30:24 am PST #7819 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Then there's the whole bit where Catholics do worship Mary and other saints, which Protestants generally don't.

Hey, in my hood it was just instant lawn ornamentation. Rock on.


Kat - Dec 24, 2008 8:30:29 am PST #7820 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Really? I have never been raised to worship Mary, despite 12 years of Catholic school. Honor her. Ask her or other saints to intercede on our behalf (or some crap). But worship her? No.

OOOOh. The guy I left a note on his car to pull the fuck forward or else risk getting hit as I leave my driveway, is pulling away in a huff.

Which brings me around to a new blog: All the shit I didn't say.