That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beekaytee - Nov 19, 2008 5:23:39 pm PST #2420 of 10002
Compassionately intolerant

Hey, are the puppies in reruns or something? The soft bed is gone.


Typo Boy - Nov 19, 2008 5:44:49 pm PST #2421 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Is it ethical to create a living woolly mammoth out of recovered DNA?

Umm, what exactly is the ethical issue? Why might it not be?

Neanderthal? Ends up as special needs kid under constant media scrutiny, like a lot of the British royal family.


tommyrot - Nov 19, 2008 5:47:43 pm PST #2422 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Umm, what exactly is the ethical issue? Why might it not be?

Personally, I don't think there is. But I think some have argued that... I dunno - maybe it would come back not quite right, and thus suffer.


billytea - Nov 19, 2008 5:49:15 pm PST #2423 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Some good news for the day: a primate species, thought extinct, has been rediscovered: the pygmy tarsier of Indonesia [link] Also, a previously unknown extinct New Zealand penguin species has been identified: [link]


Typo Boy - Nov 19, 2008 5:49:48 pm PST #2424 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hmm, well it does seem that cloned animals have a higher rate of birth defects. Is that the basis of the argument?


tommyrot - Nov 19, 2008 5:52:30 pm PST #2425 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Hmm, well it does seem that cloned animals have a higher rate of birth defects. Is that the basis of the argument?

I dunno - I'm half pulling this from the dark recesses of my brain, and half pulling it from my ass.

Or I might be off in those percentages.

ION, the violin is a good detector of stress for me. When I'm relaxed, I generally play OK. When I'm stressed, I make all sorts of mistakes. It's like some feedback machine, but with horrible screeching sounds....


billytea - Nov 19, 2008 5:53:07 pm PST #2426 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Personally, I don't think there is. But I think some have argued that... I dunno - maybe it would come back not quite right, and thus suffer.

Possibly also that it would, in effect, be an introduced species in an ecosystem that is no longer adapted to its existence. (I'm still pro-reviving them. And thylacines, though frankly I'm not sure they could be reintroduced as a viable population, and quaggas, and so on and so forth.)


tommyrot - Nov 19, 2008 5:56:01 pm PST #2427 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Possibly also that it would, in effect, be an introduced species in an ecosystem that is no longer adapted to its existence.

I sorta assumed they'd only end up in zoos - at least at first.

Dunno if that's the assumption of those who want to create them.


tommyrot - Nov 19, 2008 6:29:33 pm PST #2428 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A beginner’s guide to ‘Twilight’

My favorite “Twilight”-related blog, the hilarious loves-it-and-hates-it-and-is-totally-obsessed-with-it “Cleoland,” at [link] (note to readers: adult discussion and language sometimes exists on this particular blog, so don’t say you weren’t warned), puts it this way: “Yeah, it’s like, Bella wants to be a vampire but she doesn’t want to be a vampire before she’s had sex as a human, and Edward doesn’t want her to be a vampire but he wants to get married, but Bella doesn’t want to get married unless she can be a vampire, but Edward won’t have sex with her until they get married, and then you put the fox and the grain in the boat and you leave the goose back on the riverbank.”

(I whitefonted to be safe, but I think it probably doesn't need it.)


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2008 6:38:37 pm PST #2429 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because the goose eats the grain and the fox eats the goose, right?

God, I want to know more about that movie. I'm scared I'll end up renting it.