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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Oct 27, 2008 2:20:07 pm PDT #6870 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I got the feeling when I read Typo Boy's post that he was talking to all of the neocons out there who are trying desperately to nibble away at abortion rights, and not specifically to megan.


aurelia - Oct 27, 2008 2:22:59 pm PDT #6871 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I think ballots should have an Emerson Cod option. Yes, No, or Oh HELL NO!

I was in Iowa over the weekend so I missed stuff. Congrats to bonBob! Happy Birthday to Brenda and quick recovery to Lucy! And appropriate wishes to anyone I've missed.

Now I need to gather myself to go to a rehearsal I don't want to go to.


megan walker - Oct 27, 2008 2:25:10 pm PDT #6872 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Sorry, didn't intend to add to that.

Please don't be. Most of you are reasonably articulating the reasons that I will probably vote no.

ETA: I can't seem to edit the rest that got ett. Oh well.


javachik - Oct 27, 2008 2:32:37 pm PDT #6873 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

megan, I really went back and forth on the issue when it was on the ballot a few years ago. A surrogate sister of mine volunteers on Saturdays to counter-protest the craxies who block the Planned Parenthood clinic entrance. Anyway, Mary and I got into a very heated argument over it. She got me thinking about a lot of things. My guts had me feeling very protective of my hypothetical "daughter" and her undergoing a medical procedure without my knowledge. But that's what it was: a fierce protectiveness on my part - not a moral judgment against her right for an abortion. And Mary pretty much reminded me of this. That her right to an abortion as a teen supplanted my "right" to feel protective.


SuziQ - Oct 27, 2008 2:41:00 pm PDT #6874 of 10001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Notification is a rough one. As a parent I was very frustrated when my daughter was able to obtain the pill from a clinic that took no medical history and did no follow-up. On one hand, yes, teens should have access to birth control but on the other hand, there are certain responsibilities that go with handing out any type of medication. My frustration came more from the sloppy medical attention than it happening without my knowledge (ok fine, there was some parental "omg why didn't she come to me" in there too...took a while to sort out my feelings at the time).

eta - hit post too soon. Meant to add that I feel the same way about any medical procedure performed on a minor. If it is being performed responsibly, then fine. If short cuts are taken, it can pose big risks.


javachik - Oct 27, 2008 2:44:00 pm PDT #6875 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah, that's another good example. As a parent, I'd want to know my kid was taking medication! It's just so sensitive when it's around someone's sexuality.


Kat - Oct 27, 2008 2:49:37 pm PDT #6876 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Odds that he'll still be re-elected?

Too high. Why wouldn't they re-elect Uncle Ted? Even if he is a convicted felon.

I love Alaska, but Stevens + Palin = a state with pretty whacky ass politics (coming from a state that elected Ah-nuld, that says something).

I just went over the props with my students today because they are participating in a mock election tomorrow and I wanted them to think about these issues and then be prepared to vote.

I used to think that just looking at the straight language in a prop was super helpful, more than the commentary. But then there are useful things like additional bonds for children's hospitals, when the $350 million of the first set from 4 years ago STILL haven't been spent is also enlightening.


Typo Boy - Oct 27, 2008 2:50:36 pm PDT #6877 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah did not mean to apply to Megan. But I do think the notification law will kill teenagers. Not being flippant. A real consequence.


beth b - Oct 27, 2008 2:51:43 pm PDT #6878 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

If a girl can't tell her parents that she is pregnant, it is unlikely that the baby will survive. And I also get concerned for the girls who are pregnant due to family members. It is hard enough to convince people you are being abused. My hope is that a girl has the support she needs with her family, but it just doesn't always work that way.


Kat - Oct 27, 2008 2:53:46 pm PDT #6879 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

As a parent, I'd want to know my kid was taking medication!

Obviously this is true. But as a parent, I'd also like to know when my child was sexually active and how safe they chose to be. Clearly, I wish each child were comfortable enough discussing this with their parent. But I think it's pretty odd to think we can legislate that conversation between parent and child by circumventing the child and making it parent and doctor.

Also, I guess it depends on how elective you find abortion. Elective isn't the right term necessarily. But if the docs have to treat Grace and they can't contact me, they do so without my consent if it is medically necessary. And I'm okay with that. They give her meds all the time without asking me or informing me before and I am okay with that because it's medically necessary.

Abortion is not only sexuality issues intensive, but there is the idea that it isn't necessarily medically necessary which makes it fraught.

It's a sensitive area all around.