I mean, let's say you did kill us. Or didn't. There could be torture. Whatever. But somehow you found the goods. What would your cut be?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Oct 08, 2008 9:13:13 am PDT #3366 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Needless to say I didn't have sex until my first was, like 6 months old, for one reason and another (like, 'ow,' and 'I am so fucking tired.')

Yeah, apart from the fact that my period came back after 4 months, my main method of birth control while I was breastfeeding was TOTAL LACK OF SEX.


Steph L. - Oct 08, 2008 9:13:54 am PDT #3367 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

When I was out at lunch, I saw my first (handmade) "Hillary Democrat for McCain" yard sign. It was a Hillary yard sign from the primaries on top, with posterboard attached to it so that the person could write "Democrat for," all attached above a McCain yard sign.

So apparently the demographic of I'm-so-pissed-over-[no idea what]-that-I'm-willing-to-vote-for-the-candidate-who-stands-for-the-exact-opposite-of-my-first-choice's-platform is not a myth.

Or, at least, there's 1.


Aims - Oct 08, 2008 9:14:08 am PDT #3368 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

feels better knowing she wasn't the only one

er...not the only new mom who didn't have sex right after, not the only Hillary Democrat for McCain. Ptui.


Steph L. - Oct 08, 2008 9:16:21 am PDT #3369 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Aims, I'm sure you're talking about (lack of) post-baby sex, but the juxtaposition makes you look like a Hillary democrat for Creepy Old Guy.


Aims - Oct 08, 2008 9:17:31 am PDT #3370 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Which is why I immediately edited.

Ew ew ew ew.


Steph L. - Oct 08, 2008 9:20:51 am PDT #3371 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Which is why I immediately edited.

It could be a whole NEW demographic: newly postpartum non-sex-having Hillary democrats for McCain! (Slogan: "I just delivered an 8-pound bowling ball through my vagina: go on, TRY to tell me who to vote for!")


Aims - Oct 08, 2008 9:21:52 am PDT #3372 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Slogan: I won't do it with him, why would I do it for Obama?


amych - Oct 08, 2008 9:23:25 am PDT #3373 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

The cynical part of me says "They aren't getting past their prejudices because they've gotten to know Obama. They're getting past their prejudices because when somebody knows if it's the blue wire or the red wire to cut when disarming the bomb in the room, you don't give a rat's fuckhole what color they are."

Ah, but the disarming the bomb factor is huge -- HUGE even -- in getting people to see past their prejudices. People who still feel that way in fer-fucks-sake-2008 aren't going to give up their attitudes because they've decided that it's not philosophically tenable to be an ignorant twit, or that he's a good guy deep down, or anything else that requires self-reflection. But actually seeing that the world doesn't end does wonders.

Look at the effect of Truman's integration of the military in 1948, before it was very much on the map in civilian society. For that matter, look at the shift in attitudes toward DADT as more and more military and ex-military personnel have come out in the last 5 years or so. In both cases, people on the ground may not have been for change at first, but afterwards, there are any number of stories that go S/he was in my unit and s/he was solid, so I don't care if they serve... People don't always start on the path for the most high-minded reasons, but if they get there, I'll take 'em.

(I'd also say that not giving a rat's fuckhole about someone's color is a pretty decent working definition of getting over it. Doesn't mean that the transition stops there, but it's pretty good as a place to start.)


Kathy A - Oct 08, 2008 9:30:48 am PDT #3374 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Look at the military's decision to integrate in 1948

Wasn't that a presidential order from Truman? IIRC, the military fought that order really hard.


Barb - Oct 08, 2008 9:32:57 am PDT #3375 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

Which, like JZ, and several other moms here, sex was the absolute last thing on my mind when Em was 4 weeks old.

Word to the tenth power of word.