feels better knowing she wasn't the only one

er...not the only new mom who didn't have sex right after, not the only Hillary Democrat for McCain. Ptui.

Aims, I'm sure you're talking about (lack of) post-baby sex, but the juxtaposition makes you look like a Hillary democrat for Creepy Old Guy.

Which is why I immediately edited.

Ew ew ew ew.

Which is why I immediately edited.

It could be a whole NEW demographic: newly postpartum non-sex-having Hillary democrats for McCain! (Slogan: "I just delivered an 8-pound bowling ball through my vagina: go on, TRY to tell me who to vote for!")

Slogan: I won't do it with him, why would I do it for Obama?

The cynical part of me says "They aren't getting past their prejudices because they've gotten to know Obama. They're getting past their prejudices because when somebody knows if it's the blue wire or the red wire to cut when disarming the bomb in the room, you don't give a rat's fuckhole what color they are."

Ah, but the disarming the bomb factor is huge -- HUGE even -- in getting people to see past their prejudices. People who still feel that way in fer-fucks-sake-2008 aren't going to give up their attitudes because they've decided that it's not philosophically tenable to be an ignorant twit, or that he's a good guy deep down, or anything else that requires self-reflection. But actually seeing that the world doesn't end does wonders.

Look at the effect of Truman's integration of the military in 1948, before it was very much on the map in civilian society. For that matter, look at the shift in attitudes toward DADT as more and more military and ex-military personnel have come out in the last 5 years or so. In both cases, people on the ground may not have been for change at first, but afterwards, there are any number of stories that go S/he was in my unit and s/he was solid, so I don't care if they serve... People don't always start on the path for the most high-minded reasons, but if they get there, I'll take 'em.

(I'd also say that not giving a rat's fuckhole about someone's color is a pretty decent working definition of getting over it. Doesn't mean that the transition stops there, but it's pretty good as a place to start.)

Look at the military's decision to integrate in 1948

Wasn't that a presidential order from Truman? IIRC, the military fought that order really hard.

Which, like JZ, and several other moms here, sex was the absolute last thing on my mind when Em was 4 weeks old.

Word to the tenth power of word.

Wasn't that a presidential order from Truman? IIRC, the military fought that order really hard

You're correct, and I'll edit -- but my point is the effect on the people on the ground when they've had to deal with a new reality, even if they haven't thought their way past their prejudices first.

Re Jamie-Lynn, I'm just in awe that anyone in the middle of breastfeeding, usually entailing every 3 hours round-the-clock feeds at this age, would have the mental or physical energy to even think about sex

well, she is very young.