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'Beneath You'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Oct 03, 2008 6:33:29 am PDT #2246 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Palin scares the CRAP out of me -- she was well-prepared, and since the format meant that Palin wouldn't have to actually answer the question she was asked, she could bust out with that snake-oil huckster beauty-pageant blather that had NO CONTENT at all in it.

The pageant queen smile was creeping me out BIG time.

Right? She kept saying stuff like "Government should get out of the way of the American people," etc., and I thought, if you have such a low opinion of the Federal Government, then WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE IN IT???

It makes a kind of insane troll logic sense when you break it down - she hates government + she's completely unqualified for office = as VP, she would make sure the government was as adorably powerless as she is!


lisah - Oct 03, 2008 6:34:59 am PDT #2247 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Palin was certainly scripted, and that avoided a repeat of the Couric debacle. But I note that it meant, first, Biden had a free pass to hammer McCain (and the audience was buying it), knowing she couldn't respond without getting off-script;

And also explained why she barely answered any of the questions.


beekaytee - Oct 03, 2008 6:35:29 am PDT #2248 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

She's a total huckster -- if you keep talking and grin and wink, you can say literally ANYTHING, and it'll come off like you're the world's greatest orator.

This is so frighteningly true. And makes it even worse that all Palin did was not fuck up. I'm terrified of the people who just want to be mollified by their elected officials. It seems like, "Just put a warm blankie over my head and make sure I can't see bad, bad things" is the battle cry of too much of the electorate.

No lie. I'm scared. AND I know that dwelling in the fear isn't going to improve anything so...I need to do something. But first I need to figure out what that might be.


amych - Oct 03, 2008 6:38:52 am PDT #2249 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I didn't listen to the debate and am despondent to read all the 'she did better than expected' headlines. That is not what I wanted to hear.

Seriously, don't waste any despair on it -- "she failed to actually drool" is the press script that we knew they'd go for going in, because it's the only way they ever judge debates.

It's not getting them any votes they didn't have before (VP debates just don't change minds, and anyway, actual watchers rather overwhelmingly thought Biden won), and I'll bet actual money that she pretty much disappears from the radar screen now -- they'll have her do live appearances for their own supporters, but this debate was her only official campaign function and just look how well her national press exposure has gone for them.


Miracleman - Oct 03, 2008 6:41:45 am PDT #2250 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Palin's wink-and-smile routine:

It's as though she was saying "C'mon, America, you know you wanna fuck me. Let's go to your car."


lisah - Oct 03, 2008 6:43:26 am PDT #2251 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

It's not getting them any votes they didn't have before

I absolutely believe this is true as well.


billytea - Oct 03, 2008 6:43:57 am PDT #2252 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Seriously, don't waste any despair on it -- "she failed to actually drool" is the press script that we knew they'd go for going in, because it's the only way they ever judge debates.

This is true, especially Veep debates. Seriously, she can't generate any upside for the campaign. All they're saying is that she stopped generating downside. Her story's pretty much done at this point. McCain gambled in picking her, he lost, he's now managed to cap off his losses. Now he can get back to the economy kicking his arse.


Barb - Oct 03, 2008 6:48:32 am PDT #2253 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

I finally read the Rolling Stone article (and literally had to go shower afterwards) and all I could think, the further I got along in it was that for McCain, with a background so steeped in familial rivalry coupled with no shame in abusing nepotism in order to get ahead, I have to think the primary reason he chose Sarah Palin was because if he's elected Prez, he's finally outdone the old man and his grandpa and if he croaks, which is in all likelihood, quite possible, then he's left behind the first female Prez.

Top that legacy, bitches.

Re: the nepotism and pulling strings, I strongly suspect that any physical records that deem him fit to be Commander in Chief have been doctored.


Steph L. - Oct 03, 2008 6:51:14 am PDT #2254 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Right? She kept saying stuff like "Government should get out of the way of the American people," etc., and I thought, if you have such a low opinion of the Federal Government, then WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE IN IT???

It makes a kind of insane troll logic sense when you break it down - she hates government + she's completely unqualified for office = as VP, she would make sure the government was as adorably powerless as she is!

If I found her endearing, I'd say she was Ralph Wiggum.


Aims - Oct 03, 2008 6:51:32 am PDT #2255 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I strongly suspect that any physical records that deem him fit to be Commander in Chief have been doctored.

By Bob Dole's physician.