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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 02, 2008 6:55:43 pm PDT #6737 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But even more disgusting is the sermon delivered at her church earlier this month by the head of Jews for Jesus, attributing terrorist attacks in Israel to the failure to convert to Christianity. I certainly wouldn't want to validate in any way the wringer Obama got put through over Wright, but seriously? (And yes, she was there, for whatever that means.)

Well, he was a guest speaker there. I'm not sure what it says about the church that they chose to invite him, but it's not like she was going back week after week to listen to this guy.


brenda m - Sep 02, 2008 7:05:48 pm PDT #6738 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

True. I'm a little scared to look at the other sermons. (They're all up on the church's web site.) She is on record describing Iraq as a task from god*. And also the Alaska Oil Pipeline.

*not meaning to suggest that she sees the "task" quite the way Brickner would. But I still find that framing disturbing.


Consuela - Sep 02, 2008 7:25:04 pm PDT #6739 of 10003
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Thanks, folks. He was good people. It's a loss to the world--and of course to his family.

ION, I am fresh back from a scouting trip: I went to the Apple store and Best Buy to look at laptops. Since this baby crashed again on startup tonight--twice.


beth b - Sep 02, 2008 7:30:22 pm PDT #6740 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I'm sorry about your friend, Consuela


Liese S. - Sep 02, 2008 7:42:00 pm PDT #6741 of 10003
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Condolences, Consuela.

Did you find anything good on your trip? I hate Best Buy, but I couldn't pass up the deal on this laptop.

In my other news, thanks Steph! I got your sodamixes for my penguin today! They are awesome.

The SO made ginger ale today from ginger. It is yum, but was very strong, so we had to add extra selzer.


megan walker - Sep 02, 2008 7:47:19 pm PDT #6742 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Sure picking Palin is relevant. Palin's daughter's pregnancy is I think irrelevant.

I disagree. And it has nothing to do with morality.

It's a (potential) huge distraction for her. I know people who thought that Edwards was a problematic candidate for a similar reason (because of his wife's illness not the other thing). I didn't, but I think that it's entirely appropriate to include that factor in evaluating whether one should choose this person to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. As such, it's news.

And the fact that McCain selected Palin, after he supposedly knew about this and the reaction that it might elicit? Sorry, but I think that's also important information. To again refer to Edwards, if Obama had picked him knowing what was going to come out about his affair, I would think it showed lack of judgement/political saavy.

Whether or not Obama should be discussing Palin is a whole other issue. And, I agree, that would be unwise for all the reasons listed.

I'm not happy to see the news harping on it, but the news talking about something and Obama's campaign talking about something are two different things in my mind.


SuziQ - Sep 02, 2008 7:52:29 pm PDT #6743 of 10003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Just to play devil's advocate...would we be having the same discussions if Palin had a penis instead of a vagina?

A male VP candidate with a 4 month old Downs baby and a 17 year old pregnant daughter would NOT cause the same stir.


§ ita § - Sep 02, 2008 7:54:03 pm PDT #6744 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, 'Suela.


megan walker - Sep 02, 2008 7:57:51 pm PDT #6745 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Just to play devil's advocate...would we be having the same discussions if Palin had a penis instead of a vagina?

Well, I used a man in my examples.

But, I also think the sad reality is that caregiving duties are not generally shared 50-50, nor do many people think they should be. And, as a politician, you have to deal with that reality.


Connie Neil - Sep 02, 2008 7:58:08 pm PDT #6746 of 10003
brillig

A male VP candidate with a 4 month old Downs baby and a 17 year old pregnant daughter would NOT cause the same stir.

Possibly not the Downs portion, but I think the 17-year-old unmarried daughter would still be a point, especially Dad was big in "abstinence is the only way" etc. Kind of like Larry Craig's wide stance.