Tara: That was funny if you've studied Taglarin mystic rites and... are a total dork... Riley: Then how come Xander didn't laugh?

'Selfless'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Typo Boy - Aug 13, 2008 11:49:35 am PDT #584 of 6681
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Oh and Allyson, I hope when I confessed to envy of your talent and success it is not because your success is not deserved. Vampire People I think is likely to become classic, one of the best collections of personals essays either. If I revealed that an occasional envious though passes through my head, I was indulging in the Buffista habit of talking too much about personal problems. If one of my internal demons set off one of your internal demons I'm deeply sorry.


erikaj - Aug 13, 2008 11:52:14 am PDT #585 of 6681
Always Anti-fascist!

The only thing I hate about Vampire People is that I couldn't think of it first! Oh, and maybe that my Nilly story isn't in it.


Typo Boy - Aug 13, 2008 11:54:54 am PDT #586 of 6681
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Erika when you start feeling like a worthless loser, you have to know rationally it is not justified. Which does not help much I know, cause it is not the rational part of it that feels that way. But maybe talking about it would help.

Or maybe it would not. Some of us are more talky meat than others. But you know sometimes I talk pretty me-me-me not out of any belief I'm superior, but out of being deeply insecure. And I'd hate to think anyone I thought I was being a pain in the ass who thinks he's better than everyone else instead of a pain in the ass struggling with self-loathing. Though I hope not too much of a pain in the ass.


erikaj - Aug 13, 2008 12:00:34 pm PDT #587 of 6681
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah, although I totally admit that book was also not ready for its closeup.(But, no, that didn't stop me from mentally spending the prize money, either.) So, it's not that I don't get that kind of thing. I do. Maybe that's part of my irritation.


Wolfram - Aug 13, 2008 12:11:52 pm PDT #588 of 6681
Visilurking

And I get insulted every time you post how you are so much more talented than everyone here.

Umm, I'm not sure what posts you're reading, but I've never read anything from Susan that even remotely approaches a statement like that. (Also, I don't even want to repost the rest of your paragraph, but seriously?)


erikaj - Aug 13, 2008 12:16:26 pm PDT #589 of 6681
Always Anti-fascist!

Really? Fine. I'm crazy. (And apparently needing to go practice my sweet-and-vulnerable face.)


Allyson - Aug 13, 2008 12:23:46 pm PDT #590 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It pings something in me where I feel pretty awful about having an agent, getting published, and having a a crumb of success on my first out.

I know that Susan isn't kicking me, and the ping is my issue, not hers, because it's my issue that I feel undeserving, talentless, like it was all a big mistake. Issue is totally mine.

Susan's lament doesn't have anything to do with me, I know. I know she doesn't begrudge me or anyone else in the room.

I just sometimes think that there are a ton of people who have written awesome shit that blows me out of the water who deserved the joy of a book signing.

That's where the post hit me. But I really know that the horrible ping wasn't Susan's intent. I swear. I know.

It doesn't make sense. No real logic in it. But there it is.


Wolfram - Aug 13, 2008 12:28:47 pm PDT #591 of 6681
Visilurking

Erika, not crazy. Super-talented too (from what I read). Just way off-base on this.

You're all unbelievably talented writers. I mean that. Susan, Barb, Allyson, Erika, Typo, Sail Aweigh, et al. When it comes to commercial success, it's talent, skill, persistence and luck. You can be born with the first, acquire and hone the second, break your head for years on the third, but there's no accounting for that last fickle bitch.


Laga - Aug 13, 2008 12:32:47 pm PDT #592 of 6681
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I typed a lot, deleted it, then read what Wolfram just said. I agree completely.


Typo Boy - Aug 13, 2008 12:40:33 pm PDT #593 of 6681
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Thanks Wolfram. And maybe I really am a worse person than everyone else here. Because very occasionally I do feel a flicker of envy begrudging the published non-fiction writers on the list their having what I want. It does not last long, and never actually believe it. It is not one of my big demons; I can crush it quickly like Buffy crushing a fear demon. But it is there, and I do have to take the time to stomp it occasionally. And I know that Allyson occasionally gets assholes who attack her for her work. I suspect they have much bigger versions of the same demon, without the ability to recognize it or deal with it.