Thanks for the useful feedback Amy.

One general question. This will be my first novel. Generally in terms of asking for betas, is it customary to seek beta readers as soon as a few chapters are done? Or is it more usual to wait until a draft of the entire work is complete?

Deb Grabien asks for betas chapter by chapter.

Great. My process is going to be a bit Tolkein like. I'm going to start by writing a history of my world, or rather of how our world was turned into this one. That won't be in anyway publishable. But in the course of doing that I think I will find my viewpoint character and the story that will take place within that history. I'm going to refer to this as "finding my hobbit". Once I have found I my hobbit I will begin writing actual chapters, probably after writing a really short outline. Plus I hope that there will chunks of the history that I will be able to steal from for the book.

The reason for this process is that, as Amy spotted, I don't really have a plot or a character. I have a world and pretty much the whole history of the world. So I hope if I write that history down, even though the result won't be publishable, or anything I'll want to share, I'll be able to find a good story to tell within that world.

I think writing the history to find the story is a great idea. It might be "why all this happened" or "While all that was happening, this poor schmuck got pulled into this situation" or "Someone decided to try to release the ghosts." Lots of stories in the haunted city.

Question: how solid is my legal ground if real (living people) make brief appearances in my fiction. Right now it looks the reality of ghosts is revealed to the public when Diane Sawyer interviews two ghosts, plus James Randi, and Tomas Diaz De La Rubia, Deputy Director for Science & Technology at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory as confirmation that it is not some sort of a trick. Tomas Diaz De La Rubia may not even be a public figure. Do I need to change the names, or get permission? Or is the brief, non-denigrating use of real people OK?

I think you can. (Or, at least, I've done it.) If it's more than a cameo, I'm not sure.

Here's an interesting piece about what you're not doing, TB: [link] That's about unflattering depictions. IANAL, but I don't know why you'd be in trouble.

TB, for the most part, as long as you're not defaming them, you're OK. Having him briefly appear on a talk show would probably be fine. Mind, "Tomas Diaz De La Rubia, Deputy Director for Science & Technology at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory" will mean absolutely nothing to most readers, so I'm not sure you gain much with the real world detail. It's not a bad thing, but if you're uncomfortable, fictionalizing will probably cost you nothing.

I had a dream last night that I won a prize for a comedy(Not sure if it was a book or movie, actually) called "My Friend's Abortion"...I know a long time ago that I had a talk with Deb G about why there are no schmasmortions in film, whether conservatism(her theory) or that nine months with lots of wacky changes makes a better story(mine) but it is kind of ridiculous that this has been hanging around in my subconcious all this time. Even more ridiculous, trying to pretend I'm Diablo Cody and write down what that makes me think of.

Hey, Gud (sorry to hijack the thread, but this is the last place I saw you), I am going to be in KC area Friday Aug 3rd, and am getting together with Strix & dcp for lunch, so if your schedule happens to be free, would love to see you too, so hie thee over to F2F!