Xander: Am I right, Giles? Giles: I'm almost certain you're not. Though, to be fair, I haven't been listening.

'Sleeper'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Scrappy - Jul 22, 2012 9:34:04 am PDT #5349 of 6690
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think it sounds really cool. And you can explore things about what it is to be alive and to be, well, a human.


Typo Boy - Jul 22, 2012 5:08:44 pm PDT #5350 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK, working away. I think I'm going to end up using this style a lot. The intent is lush, on the edge of purple, but not over it. So does this work?

As Jill cycled down the street spectral carriages flashed above her. Clouds showed faintly through the ornate trimmings and fire-breathing horses as they pulled their loads to destinations across town or across the world. Mongols riding war elephants and Germans riding Panzers streaked overhead, traveling to carry out gruesome missions. Though it was only two in the afternoon, blue lights flickered in every building. All houses were haunted now.

Do I avoid purple? Is "gruesome missions" over the red-line, and into the purple?

don't worry, I won't ask paragraph by paragraph. But this is going to kind of be a model for a lot of scenes, so I want to make sure the style is fine-tuned.


Connie Neil - Jul 22, 2012 5:43:36 pm PDT #5351 of 6690
brillig

I don't find that purple at all, just vivid and precise. It's evocative yet still clear.

My only objection to gruesome is it seems oddly judgemental. Dreadful, maybe? Not all German units were as, well, barbaric as the Mongols.


§ ita § - Jul 22, 2012 6:00:07 pm PDT #5352 of 6690
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm pretty sure not all Mongols were as barbaric as the Mongols, just like not all Germans were as barbaric as the Germans. People are both shit and mundane like that. I figure they deserve standing up for as much as Germany, don't they?


Typo Boy - Jul 22, 2012 6:16:02 pm PDT #5353 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Then it is misleading and unclear. Does this make the point clearer?

Mongols riding war elephants and Germans riding Panzers streaked overhead, enslaved dead traveling to carry out gruesome missions.


Connie Neil - Jul 22, 2012 6:58:18 pm PDT #5354 of 6690
brillig

I think you can leave out "they despised." Enslaved carries the connotation of having no say in matters.


Typo Boy - Jul 22, 2012 7:40:55 pm PDT #5355 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Cool, edited to reflect that. So it is now clear that is the *missions* that are gruesome and that those carrying it out have no choice? I used Panzers and elephants because the mixture gives an exotic impression. It could be Toussaint Louverture or someone as heroic as you care to mention. They would still be sent by on gruesome missions.


Connie Neil - Jul 23, 2012 6:14:39 am PDT #5356 of 6690
brillig

I like the Panzers and elephants--did the Mongols use war elephants? I thought they were all about the horses. Or is that part of the point?


Amy - Jul 23, 2012 6:19:29 am PDT #5357 of 6690
Because books.

Typo, it's hard to judge based on the world-building and one paragraph. What is the actual story about? Who is the protagonist?

As Jill cycled down the street spectral carriages flashed above her. Clouds showed faintly through the ornate trimmings and fire-breathing horses as they pulled their loads to destinations across town or across the world. Mongols riding war elephants and Germans riding Panzers streaked overhead, traveling to carry out gruesome missions. Though it was only two in the afternoon, blue lights flickered in every building. All houses were haunted now.

I know this is the original paragraph, but I wanted to question the last line. The fact that all houses are haunted now is something that anyone living in that world would know, so it's not something they would remark on. Even a reader who scanned the cover copy would know that -- it's better to show that, with specifics, than to paint a broad picture.

I'd also suggest you focus on the perspective. You mention Jill, so it could be third person, but it sounds a little omniscient as written.


Typo Boy - Jul 23, 2012 7:35:25 am PDT #5358 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Thanks for the useful feedback Amy.

One general question. This will be my first novel. Generally in terms of asking for betas, is it customary to seek beta readers as soon as a few chapters are done? Or is it more usual to wait until a draft of the entire work is complete?