The money was too good. I got stupid.

Jayne ,'Ariel'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - May 07, 2008 6:04:01 am PDT #5286 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think it would have been ugly either way--underbellies were going to be revealed. Is the US more sexist than it is racist?

I think the main difference is that Clinton's already been through the Republican smear machine, so there's not much new to say about her. Yeah, the GOP and the media would have continued to spout the same recycled hateful crap, but it wouldn't be anything we hadn't heard before.

I think the attacks against Obama will be worse because they'll be fresh.


CaBil - May 07, 2008 6:06:49 am PDT #5287 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

tommy, supposedly a Clinton fundraising event was added back to the schedule for this evening...


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 6:06:50 am PDT #5288 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It isn't really about the individual qualities or personality anymore. We are broken and desperate times call for teeny bit of selflessness.

I know. Most of me thinks that an Obama/Clinton ticket would be great (although I'd really rather see Obama/Edwards), but that small part of me, the part that was raised on "I Am Woman" and Betty Friedan, thinks that Clinton as VP would be settling, and damn it, I am so sick and fucking tired of seeing brilliant woman *settle,* when they should be running the goddamn joint.


Emily - May 07, 2008 6:07:07 am PDT #5289 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I don't know if the US is ready for either a woman or a black person at the helm.

Yeah. I started out pretty optimistic about this, but I'm starting to think this may be a close one. And I thought the Wright thing brought a whole lot of stuff out of the anxiety closet into the light.


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 6:09:25 am PDT #5290 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is the US more sexist than it is racist?

Oppressed though women may be, I can't recall a woman being lynched for the act of being a woman.

(Yes, one can say that rape is an equivalent [though I don't believe that it is, in actual forensic terms], and is more insidious, but as a public act -- a political act -- lynchings have it all over rape.)


brenda m - May 07, 2008 6:11:47 am PDT #5291 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I would much rather see Clinton as a justice or back in the Senate where I think she'll be a real power player than sidelined as Veep. (This is one of the things that pushed me towards Obama, actually - I think she'd be a kick-ass Majority Leader.) And I think we're long past the point where those two could work effectively together as Pres/VP.


amych - May 07, 2008 6:15:19 am PDT #5292 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm with Brenda on this one -- I've said from the start of the campaign that she's simply a better senator than a potential executive; not because she's somehow not worthy of the top job, but because it fits her policy-hammering-out strengths so much better. I think she'd be a fantastic Majority Leader, and could affect things for way many years in that role.

Plus, my dream ticket is and shall remain Obama/Richardson. Nom.


juliana - May 07, 2008 6:15:42 am PDT #5293 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Is the US more sexist than it is racist?

Oppressed though women may be, I can't recall a woman being lynched for the act of being a woman.

True, but the invective against Hillary has been quite clearly gender-coded. If major pubs had been using racial slurs against Obama as freely as they were using sexist language against Hillary, there would have been hell to pay.

Personally, I believe the U.S. is more racist, but it's more socially acceptable to be sexist.


Hil R. - May 07, 2008 6:16:39 am PDT #5294 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Personally, I believe the U.S. is more racist, but it's more socially acceptable to be sexist.

I think this sums it up just about right.


amych - May 07, 2008 6:17:08 am PDT #5295 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Sadly, yes.