The girl's not playing with a full deck, Giles. She has almost no deck. She has a three.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 5:43:24 am PDT #5276 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Matt Drudge (who has good sources in the Clinton campaign) has called the whole primary campaign for Obama. He also says the Clintons have canceled all TV appearances this morning.

I'm listening to Diane Rehm, and all the commentators are saying that Clinton will drop out soon.

I voted for Clinton in the primary, and I think she'd make a better president than Obama. That said, I like Obama, and as soon as the nomination is official, I'm signing up for his campaign. I said after the 2004 debacle that I'd campaign for whoever got the Democratic nomination in 2008, and I stand by that. I can't handle 4 more years of what we've had for the past 8.

More to the point, I don't think the country can.

(And when Clinton drops out, I think I'm going to cry a little, because it wasn't too long ago that I was sure -- could practically *see* it -- that we'd have a woman president.)

Also? This is going to be the ugliest, and probably most violent, presidential campaign this country has ever seen.


Dana - May 07, 2008 5:44:36 am PDT #5277 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Rowling won the case - already posted?

No! Source?


Sue - May 07, 2008 5:47:29 am PDT #5278 of 10001
hip deep in pie

She won an appeal of a privacy case in Britain, not the copyright case.


brenda m - May 07, 2008 5:50:07 am PDT #5279 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

(And when Clinton drops out, I think I'm going to cry a little, because it wasn't too long ago that I was sure -- could practically *see* it -- that we'd have a woman president.)

Yeah. I've been more or less in the Obama camp since Edwards dropped out, and become increasingly frustrated with Clinton's campaign over the last few months. And I still keep getting these flashes of sorrow when I watch her speaking or get into these conversations. I would have happily jumped on board if things had played out differently, even given the recent aggravations. Now I just want it to end already, though.


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 5:53:10 am PDT #5280 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

And *if* Obama offered her the VP slot, part of me wants her to turn it down, because, DAMN IT, why should she have to be second-best?


msbelle - May 07, 2008 5:56:35 am PDT #5281 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

oops, my bad on the Rowling.


Jessica - May 07, 2008 5:57:24 am PDT #5282 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

And when Clinton drops out, I think I'm going to cry a little, because it wasn't too long ago that I was sure -- could practically *see* it -- that we'd have a woman president.

You and me both.

My FiL said something really interesting over Passover - that if Obama REALLY wants Clinton to concede gracefully, he should promise to appoint her to the Supreme Court when he becomes President. Because THAT's power. (And there's no reason she couldn't step down and run for President again if she wanted to.)

[And it would be a much less condescending move than offering her VP or Attorney General. "If you let me win, I'll let you work for me!" Um....thanks?]


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 5:59:56 am PDT #5283 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

if Obama REALLY wants Clinton to concede gracefully, he should promise to appoint her to the Supreme Court when he becomes President.

Oooh.

Hey.

FUCK yeah!


§ ita § - May 07, 2008 6:00:26 am PDT #5284 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if you consider the transistor made possible the integrated circuit and the modern computer

And how could you not?

I agree that the upcoming presidential race is going to be ugly. But I think it would have been ugly either way--underbellies were going to be revealed. Is the US more sexist than it is racist? I just don't think this one is going to be settled on the issues. It's going to be ad hominem, start to finish, I fear.

I don't know if the US is ready for either a woman or a black person at the helm. Which means it might end up with a Republican again.

I'd like to be proven wrong.


beekaytee - May 07, 2008 6:00:51 am PDT #5285 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

And *if* Obama offered her the VP slot, part of me wants her to turn it down, because, DAMN IT, why should she have to be second-best?

I agree with this when you say it AND I agreed with it when Obama said it.

And yet, I would SO much prefer to hear somebody step up to the 'By all that is holy, somebody MUST team up to defeat the evil cabal that has destroyed this country's economic stability, that refuses to provide basic care on an equitable basis and who seems Hell bent on making the US the worst global citizens in the history of civilization' plate.

It isn't really about the individual qualities or personality anymore. We are broken and desperate times call for teeny bit of selflessness.

t /crying out in the wilderness

eta:

if Obama REALLY wants Clinton to concede gracefully, he should promise to appoint her to the Supreme Court when he becomes President. Because THAT's power. (And there's no reason she couldn't step down and run for President again if she wanted to.)

Whoa! Who do we know in the campaign...because this is genius.