Well, quite a lot of fuss. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were dangerous.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


CaBil - May 07, 2008 6:06:49 am PDT #5287 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

tommy, supposedly a Clinton fundraising event was added back to the schedule for this evening...


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 6:06:50 am PDT #5288 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It isn't really about the individual qualities or personality anymore. We are broken and desperate times call for teeny bit of selflessness.

I know. Most of me thinks that an Obama/Clinton ticket would be great (although I'd really rather see Obama/Edwards), but that small part of me, the part that was raised on "I Am Woman" and Betty Friedan, thinks that Clinton as VP would be settling, and damn it, I am so sick and fucking tired of seeing brilliant woman *settle,* when they should be running the goddamn joint.


Emily - May 07, 2008 6:07:07 am PDT #5289 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I don't know if the US is ready for either a woman or a black person at the helm.

Yeah. I started out pretty optimistic about this, but I'm starting to think this may be a close one. And I thought the Wright thing brought a whole lot of stuff out of the anxiety closet into the light.


Steph L. - May 07, 2008 6:09:25 am PDT #5290 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is the US more sexist than it is racist?

Oppressed though women may be, I can't recall a woman being lynched for the act of being a woman.

(Yes, one can say that rape is an equivalent [though I don't believe that it is, in actual forensic terms], and is more insidious, but as a public act -- a political act -- lynchings have it all over rape.)


brenda m - May 07, 2008 6:11:47 am PDT #5291 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I would much rather see Clinton as a justice or back in the Senate where I think she'll be a real power player than sidelined as Veep. (This is one of the things that pushed me towards Obama, actually - I think she'd be a kick-ass Majority Leader.) And I think we're long past the point where those two could work effectively together as Pres/VP.


amych - May 07, 2008 6:15:19 am PDT #5292 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm with Brenda on this one -- I've said from the start of the campaign that she's simply a better senator than a potential executive; not because she's somehow not worthy of the top job, but because it fits her policy-hammering-out strengths so much better. I think she'd be a fantastic Majority Leader, and could affect things for way many years in that role.

Plus, my dream ticket is and shall remain Obama/Richardson. Nom.


juliana - May 07, 2008 6:15:42 am PDT #5293 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Is the US more sexist than it is racist?

Oppressed though women may be, I can't recall a woman being lynched for the act of being a woman.

True, but the invective against Hillary has been quite clearly gender-coded. If major pubs had been using racial slurs against Obama as freely as they were using sexist language against Hillary, there would have been hell to pay.

Personally, I believe the U.S. is more racist, but it's more socially acceptable to be sexist.


Hil R. - May 07, 2008 6:16:39 am PDT #5294 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Personally, I believe the U.S. is more racist, but it's more socially acceptable to be sexist.

I think this sums it up just about right.


amych - May 07, 2008 6:17:08 am PDT #5295 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Sadly, yes.


msbelle - May 07, 2008 6:18:49 am PDT #5296 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

INonPoliticalN - I just finished 90% of my Mother's Day shopping with online donationa dn online giftcard purchase (some was already done), now just need cards and maybe a little something for mac to send his grandma.