"this is a horrible thing that's happening, and I will show you it" point of view, it sounds like NO FUN. And ick.
HA! and you have nailed my issue with The Inside, too.
Spike: Lots of fuss over one girl. Other things to do around here--important things. Angel: You know that whoosh thing you do when you're suddenly not there anymore? I love that.
'Unleashed'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
Kat - May 07, 2008 8:47:20 am PDT #570 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
§ ita § - May 07, 2008 8:48:07 am PDT #571 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Even if it's from a, "this is a horrible thing that's happening, and I will show you it" point of view, it sounds like NO FUN
Kinda like The Inside, I guess.
I don't know. It's seemed to me that the whole thing hinges on the idea that what's happening is wrong, and that's why we're following along as someone inside wakes up to the what's happening to her, counterpointed by someone on the outside convinced of it and trying to hammer their way in.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Which is all aside from how well it will be addressed.
Tamara - May 07, 2008 8:49:51 am PDT #572 of 4535
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
If it is like the Inside then that is even better. Everything doesn't need to be Pushing Daisies although I do love Pushing Daisies.
Jessica - May 07, 2008 8:51:46 am PDT #573 of 4535
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I'm pretty sure Ultimate Drew wrote Spiral. Or maybe Steve DeKnight? Not Joss, anyway.
Anyway, I really don't want to get into a discussion of what I think about Joss' feminist credentials, so I think I'd better step away from this thread for a while.
Steph L. - May 07, 2008 8:52:29 am PDT #574 of 4535
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Even if it's from a, "this is a horrible thing that's happening, and I will show you it" point of view, it sounds like NO FUN
Kinda like The Inside, I guess.
Characters who I like can go a long way. Because every. single. character. on The Inside was loathesome and joyless. I don't want to watch an icky situation with icky characters, y'know?
The premise of BTVS (and Angel) wasn't icky. Dollhouse has real ick potential, but it could be done well.
Kat - May 07, 2008 8:53:17 am PDT #575 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Tamara points out exactly what is lovely about the diversity of humanity! I think the premise of Dollhouse is icky (and I hated The Inside [sorry, Tim]). It just wasn't TV for me, which is fine. There is plenty of TV that I don't feel the love on.
Oddly, I did LOVE Alias, though. Pretty people in fun costumes and wigs and things go boom! It wasn't great TV though.
amych - May 07, 2008 8:54:02 am PDT #576 of 4535
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
De Knight, I think.
My Trust in Joss is limited to trusting that there are other people out there who would probably do it worse.
Steph L. - May 07, 2008 8:54:22 am PDT #577 of 4535
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I'm pretty sure Ultimate Drew wrote Spiral. Or maybe Steve DeKnight? Not Joss, anyway.
Actually, I checked IMDB, because I didn't want to get busted for bad information: [link] (unless the "written by" DeKnight credit means that he was the writer and Joss's name just goes on every episode as "writer," which I don't think is true).
Allyson - May 07, 2008 8:56:59 am PDT #578 of 4535
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Which is all aside from how well it will be addressed.
Well sure, there's also that, and I've no idea how they'll address the ick. I'm certain it will be well-written, because the staff is made of awesome. I'm also wary of how Joss deals with certain Luke and Laura sort of issues and the AR in the BR in SR issues that this would seem to trip itself over.
Kristen - May 07, 2008 8:57:25 am PDT #579 of 4535
unless the "written by" DeKnight credit means that he was the writer and Joss's name just goes on every episode as "writer," which I don't think is true
Oddly, that is what it means on IMDB. That's how the do TV shows. Joss's name goes on every episode under "writers" as the "creator."