Well, given that broadcast TV gave us the Swan a few years ago, I'm asking "Compared to what?'
On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!
Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
erikaj - Jul 09, 2009 3:18:47 pm PDT #2135 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2009 4:20:46 am PDT #2136 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I think Joss' biggest problem is he's trying too hard in several different directions (e.g. making some kind of statement on society's treatment of women, pushing the envelope of what can be done in television drama, etc.), that, while not necessarily mutually exclusive, makes for incredibly tricky combination to pull of successfully. When it fails, that way lies anvils and recriminations.
Tim doesn't seem to overthink things too much. He's after the story.
BTW, that "e.g." was correct, right? I always have problems with that vs. "i.e.".
Tom Scola - Jul 10, 2009 4:22:49 am PDT #2137 of 4535
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
BTW, that "e.g." was correct, right? I always have problems with that vs. "i.e.".
"e.g." means "for example", and "i.e." means "as in", so you used "e.g." correctly.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2009 4:56:48 am PDT #2138 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
"e.g." means "for example", and "i.e." means "as in", so you used "e.g." correctly.
Thank you, Tom. Now I know that my memory trick of "i.e." =/= "in example" is the correct one.
Kat - Jul 10, 2009 7:10:39 am PDT #2139 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Either do I, but I think he did a bunch of work which effected viewpoints and spoke out about a bunch of issues and I think he deserves kudos for that.
I think, Kevin, as seems to happen on some occasions, you are missing the greater point people are trying to make. I don't really think that just because Joss says, "I love women! I'm totally feminist! I'm almost a woman myself because I'm so sensitive! My sexist show is really feminist because I AM!" makes it so.
Just because he also says he's so gay doesn't actually make him gay or even kinda gay.
I actually find the self-declarative labels as an explanation for things which are offensive really annoying.
Steph L. - Jul 10, 2009 7:12:02 am PDT #2140 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism
I actually find the self-declarative labels as an explanation for things which are offensive really annoying.
You mean, "It's okay, because I'm a FEMINIST! Really!" ?
'Cause I am right there with you.
Kat - Jul 10, 2009 7:15:54 am PDT #2141 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Thanks, Steph.
Also, being a feminist isn't a contest. And just because someone thinks Tim does a better job writing authentic-ish female characters than Joss doesn't mean that Joss is being dissed.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2009 7:18:57 am PDT #2142 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I actually find the self-declarative labels as an explanation for things which are offensive really annoying.
It is pretty much the same as predicating a statement with "I'm no rascist, but...", or "I don't mean to be offensive, but...", isn't it?
Not just annoying but painfully cringe-inducing from someone who you have respected at some point.
*sigh*
For the record, I do still respect a lot of what Joss has done, even with Dollhouse, but it's getting more difficult. And I suspect that others are past the point of no return.
OTOH, where the series left off has a lot of potential, and a multitude of ways to leave the more problematic aspects behind.
le nubian - Jul 10, 2009 8:04:58 am PDT #2143 of 4535
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Steph L. - Jul 10, 2009 8:15:30 am PDT #2144 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Ugh, yeah. "Nice Guys"? Not that nice.