I actually find the self-declarative labels as an explanation for things which are offensive really annoying.
You mean, "It's okay, because I'm a FEMINIST! Really!" ?
'Cause I am right there with you.
I miss Oz. He'd get it. He wouldn't say anything, but he'd get it.
Xander ,'Get It Done'
The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!
Steph L. - Jul 10, 2009 7:12:02 am PDT #2140 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Kat - Jul 10, 2009 7:15:54 am PDT #2141 of 4535
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Thanks, Steph.
Also, being a feminist isn't a contest. And just because someone thinks Tim does a better job writing authentic-ish female characters than Joss doesn't mean that Joss is being dissed.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2009 7:18:57 am PDT #2142 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I actually find the self-declarative labels as an explanation for things which are offensive really annoying.
It is pretty much the same as predicating a statement with "I'm no rascist, but...", or "I don't mean to be offensive, but...", isn't it?
Not just annoying but painfully cringe-inducing from someone who you have respected at some point.
*sigh*
For the record, I do still respect a lot of what Joss has done, even with Dollhouse, but it's getting more difficult. And I suspect that others are past the point of no return.
OTOH, where the series left off has a lot of potential, and a multitude of ways to leave the more problematic aspects behind.
le nubian - Jul 10, 2009 8:04:58 am PDT #2143 of 4535
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Steph L. - Jul 10, 2009 8:15:30 am PDT #2144 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Ugh, yeah. "Nice Guys"? Not that nice.
amych - Jul 10, 2009 8:18:55 am PDT #2145 of 4535
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
for some reason, this discussion is reminding of discussions of "nice guys."
Yeppers. Where "for some reason" = "because it's exactly the same tired self-congratulatory vibe".
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2009 8:26:57 am PDT #2146 of 4535
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
On a less imflamatory level, it's like insisting out loud how cool and hip you are. If you have to announce it...
P.M. Marc - Jul 10, 2009 8:27:42 am PDT #2147 of 4535
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Also, being a feminist isn't a contest.
Ding ding ding! Yes.
Or, as they say in the biz, show, don't tell.
Polter-Cow - Jul 10, 2009 8:41:48 am PDT #2148 of 4535
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
On a less imflamatory level, it's like insisting out loud how cool and hip you are. If you have to announce it...
I am mostly cloudy, 59 °F, and I have two hips.
erikaj - Jul 10, 2009 9:32:53 am PDT #2149 of 4535
Always Anti-fascist!
I'm still willing not to completely yank Joss' feminist card, but I would like to see more of that sensibility affecting this series. But maybe I'm just conflicted because I'm a feminist who is finding non-feminist Ari Gold to be the most fun I've had writing all year.(It kind of helps that his wife carries one of his balls in her handbag, metaphorically speaking, but even that is a sufficiently old-school relationship that I have twinges of embarrassment about enjoying it from time to time. I mean, she really does shop to get even with him. But their scenes are still fun to watch...is that being anti-feminist?