You know that's good. I've come to the conclusion that Tim is a much better feminist than a certain other talented writer/producer/showrunner. Because Tim did not take a friggin women's studies class decades ago, and decide he did not need to learn anything more about feminism since.

Is Tim a feminist? I've no idea. His episodes of Dollhouse season one skirted around (i.e. completely avoided) that aspect of the show. Which worked quite well, really.

The two showrunners for season one have left Dollhouse. I'm hopefully it will be better.

I don't know what he would call himself, but I'm pretty sure he accepts that women are human beings, that women are often not treated as human beings and that this is a serious problem. And I think I trust him more with women characters than a lot of writers who make louder claims on the subject.

I dunno, I'm going to go with Joss on that one. I might not agree with him on everything, but he's actively donated towards and considers his output from a feminist POV.

Being closer to the earth, my opinion on the subject is a bit different.

But then I look at what he actually does. He invented Inara: "and look, there's a whore". Some of the most problematic treatment of Eliza in dollhouse were things Joss wrote. Yeah Tim evaded the issue somewhat in his ep. Given the setup he was given don't see what choice he had. But he dealt too. I'd say he was a LOT less offensive than Joss overall. Joss seems to me the guy who knows it is offensive to put women in refrigerators, but then decides it is OK for him to put women in refrigerators. (See first episode of Dollhouse.) Yeah politically Tim is a conservative Libertarian where Joss is a liberal. I think Buffy was a happy accident. Joss wanted to turn the cliche of the little blond gets killed at the beginning of the horror film around by having her be kickass, and did something great. But post Buffy, I think Tim has written better women than Joss. I made a guess at the reason, but I think the case that Tim has written women better than anything Joss has written post-Buffy is a strong one. And with something like Dollhouse where you have some really problematic issues, I suspect Tim will do a better job. And believe me my politics are much closer to Joss than Tim. But I think Tim writes women better. And I think he is actually better at treating them as people in his scripts and when he supervises and shapes the work of other writers.

I thought the blame for "closer to the earth" turned out to be Joss. Cause if that was bullshit I withdraw my comment. (Allyson, I take it you were replying to me not Kevin. X-posts can be confusing.)

I love Allyson!!!1!

I definitely think there's a been a trend towards Joss's work treating characters as objects rather than people. It's something I've noticed, and it took me out of the story of Dollhouse at times.

But at the end of the day, Dollhouse is never going to be a feminist show. I gather season two will move into Finding Power, but mostly I think it's a sick and twisted tale of life without repression, which probably benefits from a bit of Timothy.

I dunno, I'm going to go with Joss on that one. I might not agree with him on everything, but he's actively donated towards and considers his output from a feminist POV.

Just because a person calls himself a feminist doesn't make him one.

IOW, Joss isn't the feminist he thinks he is.