SyFy is including DVR data in its numbers now:

The series premiere of Warehouse 13 added nearly 500,000 additional viewers with Live +7 data factored in and was seen by 4 million total viewers (1.9 million adults 25-54 and 1.5 million Adults 18-49) with a 2.8 household rating. It ranks as the 3rd highest original series premiere in Syfy's history.

Eureka's audience increased by nearly 700,000 total viewers with the addition of 7-day DVR playback data to reach 3.3 million total viewers and a 2.3 household rating. Eureka was the #1 program in cable for the day in Adults 25-54 (1.8 million) and Adults 18-49 (1.4million).

I'm caught up in Boxed Set shows for once (or at least the ones I follow), and I just have to say that Torchwood broke my heart into tiny pieces and then stomped on them for awhile. Then spit on the remains. Bleak with a side of bleak, someone said, right? Yeah.

Don't get me wrong--I did think it was stunningly acted and well-written, and I understand the writers' reasoning behind Ianto's death and the sacrifice of the grandson separately, but they didn't entirely work for me as plot devices together. I think this is partially because because I didn't see that Jack had a full investment in the grandson in the scope of the mini-series. I needed more substance to that relationship to make it be the gut-wrenching turnabout it was meant to be. That combined with, as many of you have said, the incredible stupidity of Jack's "plan" made both deaths almost anticlimactic (not so much in terms of the pain they cause, but more so in terms of the purpose behind that pain) for me personally. I mean, I get logically the idea that Ianto's death had to happen in order for Jack to be willing to sacrifice the boy, but...I don't know. Too much.

I also want to agree with comments earlier about not buying the complete capitulation of all of the world leaders (or everyone in that room) so quickly. I thought the dialogue was often exquisitely painful, especially the discussion of the "Undesirables," and I buy that some people would just bargain 10% of the world's children away like that, but all of them? Without even really trying anything else? It just felt like the writers making a point rather than a believable scenario.

I know it sounds like I hated it, but I need to say that I didn't. I thought it was brilliant overall, in no small part because of its hard truths. I'm glad I watched it, though I will never do so again.

I have lots of theories as to why I think the same effect could have been achieved without that degree of pain, but I don't think I'm going to articulate any of them particularly well right now. Suffice it to say that I think there is a way to break a viewer's heart and force them to face cold realities without sacrificing the heart of a show. I can handle flawed heroes. I love them, in fact. But regardless of whether it was the "right thing" to do, I can't ever invest in Jack again, and that makes me really sad.

BSG broke my heart over and over, and God knows the heroes of that show often behaved in despicable ways, but there was at least a little glimmer of hope in the end, even with immense loss. I know life isn't like that sometimes, and I know Americans in particular are used to happy endings, but I just wanted something, anything, to hang onto in the end. I didn't feel like Gwen and Rhys were enough, no matter how much I love them. I think I would feel a lot differently if this mini-series was self-contained, but I can't see subjecting myself to Torchwood again after that. (In fact, as I reread this comment, I suspect I would have had an entirely different response had this been a series without a history or future.)

Anyway, apparently I had a lot to say. I won't deny it made me think a lot. I'm just very glad that Eureka and Leverage were also on my Tivo to cheer me up after I finished watching it.

We were Mineared but good on that one, weren't we?

I'm intreigued by the many ways being an immortal seems to fuck you up. Living forever SEEMS like a good idea until even the longest-term relationship is ephemeral, everyone around you is so fragile, their death is just a matter of when to you. You can be tormented in a myriad of ways and not die which may make death easy in comparison. When the consequences of everything you do over a thousand years or so blow up in your face eventually it must become difficult to make any decision.

I love how Frobisher did what he did for nothing making it truly tragic. I am also kind of wrecked over the first time he finds his spine it is for his family -- they trusted him and he was worth trusting. Of course, it gets them killed.

Toward the beginning when Ianto and Jack were trying to borrow the children in their families... when the Hub blew up all I could think was "thank God the kids weren't there". Heh. Little did I know, right?

It's interesting to me how Jack's Daughter doesn't trust him in her life, but she trusts him to save the world. And she's absolutely correct on both counts.

If I were Jack I'd get away from Gwen and that baby so I didn't kill them.

Oh, I also loved how Clem was correct indeed, they DID know he could hear them. And I can't wait to re-watch with the knowledge that the aliens are completly fucking high the whole time.

And I can't wait to re-watch with the knowledge that the aliens are completly fucking high the whole time.

This. It certainly makes the spewing green goo read differently, at the very least.

I'm torn. In a lot of ways, I don't see much of a coming-back for Torchwood, after this. However, I think Jack's still got interesting story ahead of him (Face of Bo, what). And, you know, with someone other than Russel writing it, perhaps 10% less bleak? Might be nice? Jack needs some redemption.

This. It certainly makes the spewing green goo read differently, at the very least.

one of my friends posited that they weren't high, but in withdrawal, which is why the random twitching and spewing.

But that one had a kid to suck. Maybe it was like, um, god help me, chewing old gum until you can get a new piece?

I keep thinking about it a lot. If "can't get it out of your head" is one of your marks of a good story (it is mine) they hit paydirt with this one.

Of all of them, Jack knows something most about the living death that would have been awating those children.

And if you wipe out the 10% from the working class you've arguably killed the next generation of Iantos and Gwens.

I don't use the phrase 'fate worse than death' lightly, but living death as alien drug producer certainly qualifies.

which is why the random twitching and spewing.

Maybe, for the 456, random twitching and spewing is pleasurable.

We were Mineared but good on that one, weren't we?

I think that's what bugs me. Tim has broken my heart many times, but I never felt like he did so unnecessarily. He delivers just enough pain for me to gasp, "You bastard!" hating the tragedy yet never feeling cheated by it. I'm sure Tim would still have left carnage, but I suspect I wouldn't be feeling cheated at the end.