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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Steph L. - Jul 23, 2009 6:22:52 pm PDT #9023 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

(Unrelated to Barb: I met a writer at dinner tonight who knows you through RWA -- Liz Bemis. My world is too, too, TOO freaking small.)

Yeah, the name's definitely familiar. I know she was a Golden Heart (unpublished author) finalist this year. Wow. Seriously small world.

She was talking about something something awards, something something romance, and she had previously said she was a writer, and so I butted in at an appropriate break and asked, "Were you at RWA?"

And she gave me the look of I-didn't-expect-you-to-ask-that-since-you're-in-a-whole-other-sphere-of-my-life, and said, "Yeah."

So I said I knew you, but identified you as Barb [lastname], and she gave me a blank look, so I said that you wrote Adios, and she said, "Oh! Caridad [lastname]! Oh yeah, I've met her!"

Freaky small world.

Anyway. Back to Torchwood and the Minear-ing of Ianto.


§ ita § - Jul 23, 2009 6:55:02 pm PDT #9024 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I went to TWOP to see their reaction to Ianto's demise, and people are pissed, man. Never watching anything RTD again pissed.


Trudy Booth - Jul 23, 2009 7:29:01 pm PDT #9025 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Ianto is dead and the planet is dooooomed.

This is brutally awesome.


Fiona - Jul 23, 2009 8:45:07 pm PDT #9026 of 30001

Never watching anything RTD again pissed.

But since that just means missing the last three Tennant specials it's not too big a sacrifice.

Actually no, wait, maybe it is.


Barb - Jul 24, 2009 2:39:39 am PDT #9027 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

I went to TWOP to see their reaction to Ianto's demise, and people are pissed, man. Never watching anything RTD again pissed.

Heh. Then he did his job. It was a hard choice, but you look at the story arc, he didn't do it just for shits and giggles. Ianto had completed his arc from the standpoint that he came to terms with who and what Jack is and loved him still. Perhaps loved him more. He went out on the strength of his convictions-- all the reasons he came to work for Jack's branch of Torchwood in the first place.

Most importantly and this goes back to what Alice said to the female ops agent-- Ianto's death makes Jack that much more dangerous. The fight had been personal because of his guilt in his earlier involvement. Now it's emotional. Unless, of course, he's completely hamstrung by his emotions and Gwen has to slap him around.

Either way, it should make for an interesting last episode.


Theodosia - Jul 24, 2009 2:46:26 am PDT #9028 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Are we absolutely sure that RTD hasn't been hanging out with Minear? It seems like he's been taking lessons.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jul 24, 2009 3:06:00 am PDT #9029 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I would have much rather that he killed off Gwen, frankly. Mostly because of the hot gay sex aspect to be honest.

This.

Are we absolutely sure that RTD hasn't been hanging out with Minear? It seems like he's been taking lessons.

He has been unusually cruel this time. It's not like him - mostly, the worst we got in Doctor Who was people being separated forever. (And I didn't love Rose, so I was 'meh' about it anyway.) End of the Who season that ended last year was a bit sadder. But not on this level. Does RTD need medication?


§ ita § - Jul 24, 2009 3:38:33 am PDT #9030 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the worst we got in Doctor Who was people being separated forever

Torchwood is more "adult" than Doctor Who, so I get that.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jul 24, 2009 3:52:57 am PDT #9031 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Torchwood is more "adult" than Doctor Who

Yes, but RTD's gone slightly overboard with that. There's 'more adult', and there's Minear-esque, and then there's 'what did we do to you that was so bad we deserved this...?'

(I did enjoy the mini-series, don't get me wrong.)


Jessica - Jul 24, 2009 4:02:39 am PDT #9032 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

No one is watching it except you and me, ita.

I am! And AFAIK it hasn't been officially renewed OR canceled. It's on a kind of indefinite hiatus.

I did hear a rumor that Virtuality is being shopped around for international funding, so even though it definitely will not be on Fox in the fall, it may pop up somewhere else if they can get production money and distribution. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease buy it, Syfy?? I'll forgive your stupid name change and everything, just put my show on the air!