Well, quite a lot of fuss. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were dangerous.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2009 6:35:58 pm PDT #8827 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

At least one of his team members turned evil, another used alien tech for rape, another used memory erasure to manipulate and preserve a relationship. (Well the one who turned evil did that too.) And it looks like at least half his was chosen on gut instinct.

So you don't see him as a canonically bad manager, and a bad leader for this type of team? Making bad situations worse almost as often as he makes them better? Again, have not seen COE, so maybe everyone just shines or at least comes through in the end in that one.


le nubian - Jul 12, 2009 6:44:53 pm PDT #8828 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

well, when you put it THAT way...


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2009 7:04:08 pm PDT #8829 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think having chosen them badly and having chosen them half-arsedly are two different things--and I agree with the former, although I'm not remembering the memory erasure plotline, ironically enough.

I don't think, though, that we're *supposed* to think he's bad at his job. When he makes the calls to save the day, they're day-saving calls, no? His team looks to him to save their asses and the world, no?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 12, 2009 7:10:40 pm PDT #8830 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My impression was kinda that Jack has the job because he knows more about alien life than anyone else currently in residence on earth and is unlikely to be killed by any of the things he comes into contact with, rather than because he's actually good at it.


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2009 7:27:19 pm PDT #8831 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think he has the job because he's still alive, but I also do think that his team trusts him to do his job well.

I also think that if him knowing more about alien life than anyone else translates into any advantage, wouldn't it improve his ability to do his job well? If not, then who cares?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 12, 2009 7:30:01 pm PDT #8832 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know, it seemed to be mostly a case of identifying what was invading this week, making ill-advised decisions that turn out badly, and then some member of his team figuring out what to do based on info he'd dropped.


DCJensen - Jul 12, 2009 7:56:52 pm PDT #8833 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Since The Sarah Jane Adventures S2 has not yet hit American shores, I will use white font, except to say it got a lot better by the end of the first season, and grew better in season 2.

That having been said, I must now shout in whitefont about the season finale: The Brigadier!!!!


§ ita § - Jul 12, 2009 8:22:57 pm PDT #8834 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When does Sarah Jane S2 reach? I think I can wait for that, eagerly.


Zenkitty - Jul 12, 2009 8:29:45 pm PDT #8835 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm starting to think maybe I don't want to watch TW at all, despite the hotness.


Typo Boy - Jul 12, 2009 9:14:47 pm PDT #8836 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Up to you, but I think it well worth watching, and not just for the hotness. Mixed but some really great characterizations. Also as to day saving. Day is not always saved (see faeries) and when the day is saved, it seems quite often with unnecessary deaths and brutality. Routinely day late, and dollar short. And yet that is part of the charm. Not the A team in space. Highly flawed human institutions and highly flawed people doing the best they can.