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'The Killer In Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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sumi - Mar 06, 2008 6:52:04 pm PST #837 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

The flashbacks on New Amsterdam are so interesting. I wonder why he takes a surname that suggests New York rather than some variation on his original surname.

I wonder if his daughter also had a family.

I wonder what percent of the population of New York City is descended from him.


§ ita § - Mar 06, 2008 7:53:06 pm PST #838 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wasn't paying so much attention for Life of Mars, but it occurs to me that Ashes to Ashes is going to run out of period songs fairly soon. If it's before the royal wedding, they're about halfway through 1981. The only song I remember for sure is "Don't you want me" because they had her quote lyrics. That's an 81 song, but I don't recall when.

New Amsterdam: Mega tacky of him to be running around gushing about his true love in front of his son. I'm finding him dislikably callous so far, but this was more explicit than I was expecting.


sumi - Mar 06, 2008 8:43:38 pm PST #839 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

ita, it must be a bad habit with him - because it seems that his daughter knows all about it too.


Fiona - Mar 06, 2008 10:52:54 pm PST #840 of 30001

Did some catching up with Torchwood.

TW 2.08: what great guest stars they've been having. Richard Briers!!!! I loved him, and thought he was great.

That Martha-Jack kiss: least chemistry EVER.

Major niggling point though, which may just ruin my enjoyment of the whole plot strand: if Owen can't breathe, how come he can still speak?!

TW 2.09: Very nice episode, though I saw the Gwen-shapeshifted-Jack kiss coming a mile off. But back to those guest starts - Nerys Hughes as the evil alien shape-shifted mother-in-law: brilliant!

So far Series 2 is proving much, much better than the first.


Trudy Booth - Mar 06, 2008 11:09:17 pm PST #841 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Fiona, didn't Joss always attribute speaking ability to habit or some vague primal thing?


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2008 12:03:27 am PST #842 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's a stupid shame to have the inability to perform mouth to mouth so patently counterpointed with huffing and puffing. But yeah, pure Joss.


Stephanie - Mar 07, 2008 2:34:14 am PST #843 of 30001
Trust my rage

I liked it when they were trying to figure out what to do if something like that happened and you were cut off from the rest of the country.

I felt this way too, although by the 2nd or 3rd episode, I was enjoying this season.

The other thing that has kind of detracted a bit is how much the cast has shrunk - Hawkins' kids, Jake's mom, and Gray have all disappeared.


Fiona - Mar 07, 2008 3:56:39 am PST #844 of 30001

Fiona, didn't Joss always....

See, I can handwipe away all the UnDead breathing or not-breathing (and smoking and eating), because at least it was consistant; it seems to have been something they did voluntarily, or not. But in Owen's case they've gone out of their way to establish that he's SO dead, all of his systems have shut down - he wasn't even able to give a dying man the kiss of life. Given that talking depends on expelling air, there's absolutely no reason why Owen should be able to.

Come to think of it, he probably shouldn't blink either.

What bothers me most is internal inconsistancy.


brenda m - Mar 07, 2008 4:10:41 am PST #845 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Honestly, a vampire should be better than a live person at mouth-to-mouth, since they won't have sucked all the oxygen out of the air they're breathing out. OTOH, we originally sacrificed that bit of logic and consistency to give Xander one up over Angel, so I try not to let it bother me too much.


Fay - Mar 07, 2008 4:37:43 am PST #846 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Fiona - surely everything that bugs you there is equally true of Angel and the Season 1 finale of BtVS? I don't see howJoss is being more consistent than Rusty. I mean, I've not seen the ep of Torchwood, but from what you've said - it sounds like it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. No?

(Although I do agree with Brenda - yay for the Xander empowerment!)