Oh, man, *this* debate again.
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Nora Deirdre - Mar 03, 2009 3:30:49 pm PST #7059 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
JenP - Mar 03, 2009 3:34:12 pm PST #7060 of 30001
Hee. Was there anyone on my side of the fence? I didn't think so at the time, so I was LA-LA-LA-ing REALLY hard against the suicide scenario.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2009 3:36:28 pm PST #7061 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm pretty sure Jon B didn't like the suicide aspect--or at least the satisfaction with that aspect.
Me, I'm good with it. I think it was terribly terribly sad, but I'm not mad about it.
Nora Deirdre - Mar 03, 2009 3:37:52 pm PST #7062 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
Jon B and I were on the same side of the fence, as I recall.
I was OK with being mad about it, because it was because of my involvement with the story and characters, not because it was an asspull, if that makes any sense.
Man, I *loved* that show.
quester - Mar 03, 2009 3:45:06 pm PST #7063 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
I hated that ending! I wanted Sam to spend some time investigating whether the stuff he thought had happened really had.
If he decided to "go back" after that, I might have been ok.
JenP - Mar 03, 2009 3:46:18 pm PST #7064 of 30001
Oh, yeah - Jon B and Nora didn't like the suicide, but they, you know, accepted that that's what happened. Me? I didn't like it, so I made something BETTER up. Of course, it wasn't actually better - more like delusional - but it was working for me at the time!
Man, I *loved* that show.
Me, too. Me. Too.
Liese S. - Mar 03, 2009 4:59:57 pm PST #7065 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Hee. I love Jen & her delusion. I am so far on her side that I didn't end up watching the show! Heh. I would have gone ballistic. I can't stand that sort of ending, not the least because we do periodically have to deal with actual suicide, and it doesn't have any shiny or happy or 70s on it at all.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2009 5:02:28 pm PST #7066 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think it was portrayed as either shiny or happy. I mean, when it's made apparent, it's a sad moment. It's the preferable choice, but I still found it sad.
JenP - Mar 03, 2009 5:09:39 pm PST #7067 of 30001
Exactly, which is why I didn't like it. I didn't think it was shiny or happy either; I'm saying, I wanted something shiny and happy. Sucked for me, but... was what it was.
Oh, der. You were responding to Liese. I just wanted to be clear that I found no shiny or happy there.
Liese S. - Mar 03, 2009 5:13:04 pm PST #7068 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
I guess that's the thing, though, right? That there was a choice to be made and in the end suicide was the best choice. Suicide was what was necessary to be happy, or at least to avoid a worse sadness. That's not a show that I could have enjoyed given that it ended that way.