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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 5:21:45 pm PST #6824 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because it's Six, not five.

Skinjobs: Cavil, Leoben, D'Anna, Simon, Aaron, Six, Daniel, Sharon
Final Five: Tory, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, Ellen

It adds up right.


Jessica - Feb 14, 2009 5:35:28 pm PST #6825 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My current working theory is that Daniel is the one who rebuilt Starbuck using "the lab" on "the colony."


Juliebird - Feb 14, 2009 5:38:12 pm PST #6826 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It adds up right.

If you've been on the 13 train, it does. But we've been told this whole time that there were twelve models. And so the final five should have been it. Don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate that the long-awaited fifth was revealed with the bonus of one more unknown cylon (which some of us were kind of expecting), who's existence lacks the drawn-outness of the final five, and who's identification will lack the drawn-outness of Ellen (given the amount of eps left).


§ ita § - Feb 14, 2009 5:41:20 pm PST #6827 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, there are 12 models. There were 13. That's how I do the math in my head. #7 was always missing too, I suspect sloppily by the writers.


Jessica - Feb 14, 2009 5:44:19 pm PST #6828 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

#7 was always missing too, I suspect sloppily by the writers.

Yeah, they made Sharon #8 before they'd come up with the 7/5 split.


brenda m - Feb 14, 2009 10:08:06 pm PST #6829 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

If you've been on the 13 train, it does. But we've been told this whole time that there were twelve models.

We always (more or less) knew Sharon was eight. Did we never twig that there was a number missing? Honestly, I can't believe that in how many years I never did - did anyone on the show?


Theodosia - Feb 15, 2009 3:03:33 am PST #6830 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I thought Cavil OWNED the episode, or rather the actor, whose name I'm entirely forgetting this morning.

Also the Helen/Ellen actor -- she was damn good, with enough of the Ellen we knew overlaid in the Helen.

And we're starting to get the Answers and they're holding together enough, not to mention posing further Questions that in retrospect seem inevitable yet surprising.


Juliebird - Feb 15, 2009 3:12:40 am PST #6831 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

We always (more or less) knew Sharon was eight. Did we never twig that there was a number missing? Honestly, I can't believe that in how many years I never did - did anyone on the show?

I think the general assumption was that it wasn't a neat numerical split, that Tyrol or Anders or any of the other five were model 7, or at least that was what I personally walked away with.


Theodosia - Feb 15, 2009 3:15:57 am PST #6832 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I thought exactly what Juliebird did, as for what model was number what -- though it was INDEED consistent that they referred to the five as the Final Five, which should have tipped me off, in retrospect.


le nubian - Feb 15, 2009 3:51:52 am PST #6833 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Some people on Mo Ryan's blog are speculating that Baltar is Daniel.

Let me say here that if this comes to pass, you will hear the sound of my head exploding.

And not in a good way.