I'm trying to figure out which bothers me more: Ellen in the final 5 or the second Starbuck.
I'm kind of thinking the latter at this point because that potentially makes far less sense to me.
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le nubian - Jan 17, 2009 3:23:29 pm PST #6266 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
beekaytee - Jan 17, 2009 3:29:21 pm PST #6267 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant
The second Kara and the previous Ellen kinda make me itch.
Having missed a lot of the last season, I have no explanation for why, but the second/other Kara seemed a foregone conclusion to me. It was just a matter of time in my mind.
The Ellen thing strikes me as way more _huh_ in that universe.
§ ita § - Jan 17, 2009 3:32:44 pm PST #6268 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can't think of a pleasing reason for both of them to have happened. Just one points cleanly to a fifth cylon. Two is too messy for me.
Jessica - Jan 17, 2009 3:33:51 pm PST #6269 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yeah, I'd been assuming all along that the Starbuck who came back was not the one who left.
Ellen, I'm reserving judgment on until I find out why. (Right now I'm holding out for "Saul and Ellen Tigh are the original Lords of Kobol" but I kind of doubt it will be that dramatic.)
Oh - now that I know Gaeta and Hoshi are both still alive, is there any reason I should see the last webisode? I was really starting to lose interest at about ep 8.
le nubian - Jan 17, 2009 3:35:33 pm PST #6270 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
yeah, you should see ep 9 and 10. it isn't a huge time commitment.
§ ita § - Jan 17, 2009 3:35:37 pm PST #6271 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd been assuming all along that the Starbuck who came back was not the one who left.
Did you have a non-Cylon explanation, or were you withholding judgment?
le nubian - Jan 17, 2009 3:36:42 pm PST #6272 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
well, I thought Starbuck said this pretty directly when she was with Anders before the season break. Her ship was different, so I guess I figured she too was as well.
beekaytee - Jan 17, 2009 3:38:57 pm PST #6273 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant
I can't think of a pleasing reason for both of them to have happened. Just one points cleanly to a fifth cylon. Two is too messy for me.
This was exactly my thought, which is what led to the notion that they are all Cyousins.
The idea of Saul and Ellen being the Lords of Kobol made me gaffaw, Jessica. Good one!
Jessica - Jan 17, 2009 3:42:46 pm PST #6274 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I think she was rebuilt by the ancient Cylons and sent forward in time back to the nebula. Does that make her a Cylon? Maybe. I don't know yet.
I also want to know how Ellen being "the fifth" has any real meaning anymore, given that we now know of potentially billions of Cylon models on ancient Earth. (Since the people we saw in the flower market flashback were just random extras, and not recongizable Cylons.)
Juliebird - Jan 17, 2009 3:48:44 pm PST #6275 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Ooh, forgot about the Cavils.
Also, it's seeming that the final five are different and separate from the seven, and yet the seven (again, working with way dusty memories here) seemed to know of them as far as "there used to be twelve of us but we were made to forget five of us". I'm of course assuming that the seven were fairly recent creations.