Someone noted on another board I was reading that they even added a couple shots of Adam to the credits

(Actually, I mentioned it in this very thread, but nevermind....)

Goodness, I had completely forgotten about 'Superstar' till you guys mentioned it, but yes, of course.

(Actually, I mentioned it in this very thread, but nevermind....)

Whoops, I missed that. Was it a white-fonted post? That may be why I did.

eta I saw it on Salon, where I still lurk.

I have some thoughts on "Adam" that I'm happy to discuss... ok, so what did Captain Spike say to Jack as he was going into the rift? "I know where Grey is"? I'm wondering if since Jack had to burn the happiest day of his life out of his memory to get rid of Adam, if that means that all memories of Grey and his dad are gone?

Re: Rhys seeing Adam. That could be something that brings Adam back at some point, or since Adam didn't touch Rhys and physically insert himself into his memories, that doesn't count?

And OMG, Ianto. His scenes with Adam and Jack were terrifying.

Re: Ianto's move from butler dude to full on team member in charge of Teh Snark, I wonder how much of that had to do with Lisa? When hiding something like that, I'd think it would be best to fade into the background as much as possible, and once it's gone, once that reason for living was taken from him, he had nothing else to do and nowhere else to go except Jack and Torchwood (respectively).

once it's gone, once that reason for living was taken from him, he had nothing else to do and nowhere else to go except Jack and Torchwood (respectively).

I think it was also the case that Jack (and the others) realized how they'd been treating him. Ianto said some pretty cutting things in "Cyberwoman" about how he was just expected to clean up everyone's shit and not ask questions, and that no one had ever asked him anything about his life.

Ianto said some pretty cutting things in "Cyberwoman" about how he was just expected to clean up everyone's shit and not ask questions, and that no one had ever asked him anything about his life.

Ah, yes. I had been pretty well distracted by Cyberwoman fighting a flying dinosaur (and clawing out my eyes at the Gwen/Owen kiss) that I had forgotten several key points. Also, that was just before I fell in lurve with Ianto, so I was not yet hanging on his every word and nuance.

I think that Capt. John said something like, "I"ve seen Grey."

Terry Goodkind talks about the tv version of Wizard's First Rule.

Sigh. I started going through my new Blade: the Series DVDs last night, and sadly none of the extra added nudity is on the part of Kavan Smith's character.

I thought it was "By the way, I found Grey". (side note: they seem to swallow that "G" a lot. At first, I though that his name was Ray, as I originally did when Capt. John said it)

I think that Rhys will remember Adam because they are actual memories, not artificially created ones. It will likely never come up because Gwen will go home and pretend that nothing is wrong, and when Rhys says something about her forgetting him, she won't say anything because it's consistent with losing the two days.

I am annoyed with Jack for being so stupid as to allow Adam to play in his mind even though they both knew that he was about to kill him. But, I think that the memories are still there, since he took the amnesia pill. Adam didn't take the memories themselves, he took the memory of them (if that makes sense).

I did notice Adam in the credits, thought who the hell is that?

Just watched Tomorrow is Yesterday, and let's just say that SCC has perfectly tidy time travel premises compared to this episode of Trek.

Just no sense at all. They accidentally slingshot back in time and expose a number of Earthlings to them, as well as transport a couple up to the ship. They work out they have to return them, and that they can get back to their future by performing another slingshot.

As they go towards the sun they travel back in time, and as they pull away in time they start going forwards. When they reach the time they'd grabbed the first guy (and squooshed his plane in their tractor beam--oops) they put him back in his plane, and when they get to the bit where they'd yanked the second guy--well, there's no longer that bit, is there? The first guy is never yanked, the Enterprise hasn't been seen, so no one goes down to get the records back, and no one is caught doing it. But we're shown the soldier on patrol in the corridors hearing a sound being transported back down over himself, and then all is well as they travel back into their future.

Also, they listen to the radio transmissions about themselves as they're slingshotting into the future, which shouldn't be possible unless they're not actually time travelling right then.

Unholy.

Wait, ita...are you saying Star Trek time-travel is sloppy?!

HERETIC!!

No, you're absolutely right. Just about every time they go back in time they "fix" it, but it just...there's all these gaps that never...urgh.

One of my favorite Trek time-travel moments, though, happens in DS:9's "Trial and Tribble-ations". The whole episode was fun, but my favorite bit is at the beginning of the ep when the Starfleet time cops are interviewing Sisko and Kirk gets mentioned. And their response is one of disgust: "Oh, KIRK. Guy's a menace. We got files and files on that guy. What a fucker."

Not, you know, verbatim, but that was the gist.