You're wrong about River. River's not on the ship. They didn't want her here, but she couldn't make herself leave. So she melted... Melted away. They didn't know she could do that, but she did.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Vortex - Feb 27, 2008 6:03:09 am PST #547 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I thought it was "By the way, I found Grey". (side note: they seem to swallow that "G" a lot. At first, I though that his name was Ray, as I originally did when Capt. John said it)

I think that Rhys will remember Adam because they are actual memories, not artificially created ones. It will likely never come up because Gwen will go home and pretend that nothing is wrong, and when Rhys says something about her forgetting him, she won't say anything because it's consistent with losing the two days.

I am annoyed with Jack for being so stupid as to allow Adam to play in his mind even though they both knew that he was about to kill him. But, I think that the memories are still there, since he took the amnesia pill. Adam didn't take the memories themselves, he took the memory of them (if that makes sense).

I did notice Adam in the credits, thought who the hell is that?


§ ita § - Feb 27, 2008 6:08:46 am PST #548 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Just watched Tomorrow is Yesterday, and let's just say that SCC has perfectly tidy time travel premises compared to this episode of Trek.

Just no sense at all. They accidentally slingshot back in time and expose a number of Earthlings to them, as well as transport a couple up to the ship. They work out they have to return them, and that they can get back to their future by performing another slingshot.

As they go towards the sun they travel back in time, and as they pull away in time they start going forwards. When they reach the time they'd grabbed the first guy (and squooshed his plane in their tractor beam--oops) they put him back in his plane, and when they get to the bit where they'd yanked the second guy--well, there's no longer that bit, is there? The first guy is never yanked, the Enterprise hasn't been seen, so no one goes down to get the records back, and no one is caught doing it. But we're shown the soldier on patrol in the corridors hearing a sound being transported back down over himself, and then all is well as they travel back into their future.

Also, they listen to the radio transmissions about themselves as they're slingshotting into the future, which shouldn't be possible unless they're not actually time travelling right then.

Unholy.


Miracleman - Feb 27, 2008 6:12:27 am PST #549 of 30001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Wait, ita...are you saying Star Trek time-travel is sloppy?!

HERETIC!!

No, you're absolutely right. Just about every time they go back in time they "fix" it, but it just...there's all these gaps that never...urgh.

One of my favorite Trek time-travel moments, though, happens in DS:9's "Trial and Tribble-ations". The whole episode was fun, but my favorite bit is at the beginning of the ep when the Starfleet time cops are interviewing Sisko and Kirk gets mentioned. And their response is one of disgust: "Oh, KIRK. Guy's a menace. We got files and files on that guy. What a fucker."

Not, you know, verbatim, but that was the gist.


DXMachina - Feb 27, 2008 6:17:32 am PST #550 of 30001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

"Trial and Tribble-ations"

Why do the Klingons look like that?

It is a long story.


Jars - Feb 27, 2008 6:17:38 am PST #551 of 30001

I love the bit where Worf doesn't want to talk about the old-timey Klingons.

eta - Klingon x-post!


sumi - Feb 27, 2008 6:24:11 am PST #552 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Farscape: Season 2 is up on itunes!


victor infante - Feb 27, 2008 6:32:18 am PST #553 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I thought it was "By the way, I found Grey".

Yep, that was it -- Capt. John very obviously taunting Jack with something he'd want to know before vanishing. The fact that it was dropped in the first story, then refrained here, indicates that it's probably tied in to the major season arc somewhere.

side note: they seem to swallow that "G" a lot.

Ahem. How many ways can we turn that into an innuendo?

Or is turning "Torchwood"-related things into innuendo pretty much gilding the lilly?


Frankenbuddha - Feb 27, 2008 6:34:40 am PST #554 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

"Trial and Tribble-ations"

Love that episode. Love it. Wasn't one of Jadzia's blood brothers the lead Klingon in that episode (and, of course, the original Trouble with Tribbles)?


Dana - Feb 27, 2008 6:37:54 am PST #555 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Wasn't one of Jadzia's blood brothers the lead Klingon in that episode (and, of course, the original Trouble with Tribbles)?

They actually brought back the three original actors to play the roles from "Trouble with Tribbles", "Day of the Dove", and a third episode I can't remember. Possibly the one with the Organians.


DXMachina - Feb 27, 2008 6:41:50 am PST #556 of 30001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

They actually brought back the three original actors to play the roles from "Trouble with Tribbles", "Day of the Dove", and a third episode I can't remember. Possibly the one with the Organians.

Yup, Koloth, Kang, and Kor, respectively. Except Koloth didn't appear in "Trial and Tribble-ations," probably to avoid further retconnish questions.

eta: And John Colicos, who played Kor, was also the original Baltar.