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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Burrell - Aug 20, 2008 12:23:16 pm PDT #4286 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I loved the episode. I mean, sorry to see Stark go, but if that's what it takes for the show to RAWK then that's what it takes. But I do wonder how many times they can play with the timeline before they start bumping into themselves.

and how many times did Allison say everything would work out the way it's supposed to?

I'm with Jon, that Allison marries Carter is a very possible interpretation. Of course I'm guessing that Stark dying is emphatically not what Allison thinks is supposed to happen. So now we're at sometimes shitty things happen and they hurt like hell and it just is, there is no grand scheme that makes it all work out right.


SailAweigh - Aug 20, 2008 12:30:24 pm PDT #4287 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

The product placement this week threw me, because I didn't know what I was looking at, and was wondering why the camera seemed to focusing on this mysterious thing Carter put by the sink. So that was annoying.

I am so with you on this. I hope it's not as egregious in coming episodes. Seriously, find more sponsors, SciFi!


Vortex - Aug 20, 2008 12:36:42 pm PDT #4288 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I really thought that it was supposed to be deliberately clumsy.


Liese S. - Aug 20, 2008 12:56:17 pm PDT #4289 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Juliebird, I went ahead and deleted the whole thing. I think, as a spoiler, it doesn't belong in this thread at all. If there's dissent, we can work it out, but that's my current understanding of our policy.


Liese S. - Aug 20, 2008 1:02:14 pm PDT #4290 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

On to the episode, first the product placement is making me crazy. I know it's supposed to be all in-your-face, but it's making me hate the product. The camera focus on it makes me think it's an item of import to the storyline, but it's not, it's an item of import to the pocketbook. About which I do not care.

Second, for serious, about Stark. And starkers Stark. Couldn't the time fairy dust have evaporated his clothes first or something? I mean, really, people.

Third, on camera, all we saw Stark do was plug in a pair of USB cables. If Fargo couldn't have handled that, I dunno that he should be loose in the company at all. Not that I want dead Fargo!

Anyway, I really liked the repetition and thought it did have nuances of meaning each time. I also think it's good that Carter had a chance to work through how he and Ally felt, before the loop closed in.

That said, I am tired of the lack of agency again. This is the second time that Carter has gone through iterations of his relationship and feelings about her...without her. Not on.

Lastly, so does this mean the new lady wasn't up to no good? Confused.


Vortex - Aug 20, 2008 1:06:52 pm PDT #4291 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Third, on camera, all we saw Stark do was plug in a pair of USB cables.

well, he touched a touch screen a lot.

Lastly, so does this mean the new lady wasn't up to no good? Confused.

she's very interested in that piece of land. First, she had Henry check the readings, then she had the machinery out there that was examining the spot. I would guess that there was some ultra secret Eureka project there that no one remembers (or everybody died), possibly having something to do with the atom bomb. Henry talked about man made caverns and the diagram was possibly some sort of underground structure.


Typo Boy - Aug 20, 2008 1:08:23 pm PDT #4292 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In terms of Stark vs. Fargo. Note he turned down Carter plugging in the cables too. I think the key here was that the cables had to be plugged in at exactly the right moment - with split second timing based on scientific knowledge and intuition. Carter did not have the science. Fargo did not have the timing or intuitive skill.

(Actually if a standard atomic clock would not do, really it needed humanly impossible timing. I'm going wank it by assuming that Stark had an amazing mathematical intuition beyond conscious knowledge and thus had to ability to make a perfect guess - which there is no way Fargo could have done. Or else he was depending on luck, which again is not something you want to leave to Fargo.)


Juliebird - Aug 20, 2008 1:14:42 pm PDT #4293 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

consider me stompied, Liese. Brain's fried. I honestly don't know when would be appropriate to blackfont, or even whitefont, confirmation or denial of speculation of events of an aired episode.


Vortex - Aug 20, 2008 1:16:49 pm PDT #4294 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I honestly don't know when would be appropriate to blackfont, or even whitefont, confirmation or denial of speculation of events of an aired episode.

No problem, Julie, you can check the FAQ here: [link]


Juliebird - Aug 20, 2008 1:32:05 pm PDT #4295 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Thanks, Vortex. It's been awhile since I read that. Took the ambiguity right out of the matter!