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Thinking about it, Vonnie, I
too kinda like that it's not neat and happily ever after. Rose is fucked up in the choices left to her, the new Doctor is fucked up do to losing a large part of himself, having parts of Donna integrated into himself, and accepting a human life. And I also love that Ten basically said that the new Ten is in the emotional state of Nine. And I love Nine. I don't know when Rose fell in love with the Doctor, but maybe it was with Nine.
I think my one big complaint is that, even as
emo as the Doctor can get, I felt a rather lack of emotion during this ep. There were so many epicly, tragically emo moments in the finale, and it was played as numb. And maybe that was the point, that there was so much sensory overload, so much pain, grief (joy at the sight of a long lost loved one) that the body simply couldn't react in any way at all, but then I think that was lost in the camera work/acting/music/directing. Maybe I was expecting Ten to top Nine's spitting anger at seeing a single Dalek, and just lose his shit. Sure, different Doctor, different reaction. Numb just isn't that compelling. Even Rose and Tens reunion(s) left me cold. But I like my emo to be emo
and speaking previously of
fucked up characters, sure, in an ideal alternate world, Rose learns to love a human Donna-tainted Doctor and the Doctor accepts being human, we still have the original Ten who still loves Rose and can never ever ever have her. Which is really fucking sad. He's given her up. Sure, another version of himself gets to have her, but he never actually does.
This really reminds me of
reading a short series of books featuring Jules Clement or something or other, and the emotional character torture left me wanting nothing more than the character to finally be happy. Ten really needs some light and love and lack of angst, or *I* might up and off myself. How the fuck is this a kids show again?
serial:
the TWoP motivator thread lifted my spirits considerably with the SCC musical telenovela, and then i went and watched the DW Confidential and that
broke me again, and the use of Portishead's "Roads" didn't help one jot. Broken. Completely. Am going to go suck my thumb now.
And
what the hell, where's Lee McAvoy when you need him?!!!
The Confidential totally lifted music right off my iPod. Not only
Portishead, but they used Turin Brakes and Sigur Rós, too.
I approve.
okay, i have a question about 4x13 that is possibly completely obvious. why exactly did Rose have to be returned to the parallel world? enlighten me, please. is it only because Ten was banishing his other self and he needed someone to watch over him and the best person for the job was Rose?
I mean, i can meta this stuff until i'm blue in the face, but WHHHHHHHHHHY???
oh! and i thought of another thing while watching. remember way back in the ep with the Ood and the Doctor let Donna hear their cries/song and she couldn't take it and asked for him to make it stop? yeah. that was a bit of foreshadowing of her not being able to handle what happens in a Time Lord's head.
I was thinking the same thing, tiggy, about
Rose being returned to the parallel universe. Except that maybe it's easier to return Rose and her mum than to supplant Dad and the new baby, and, erm, the Doctor knew he couldn't reasonably co-exist in a universe with a copy of himself, and what best way to smooth over the idea of sticking his other self in a parrallel than to leave him with Rose, also in that parallel? The Doctor's issues with commitment to such an ephemeral being came into play as well? The Doctor has a sad comfort zone with being lonely that he'd choose that familiarity over being with the object of his angst (and risk being responsible for getting her hurt/killed/separated from her family)?
Really, at some point I want
the Doctor to get over himself and accept that people die and live with that fact. Next regeneration I want to see a callous Doctor, damnit. I want to see Casino Royale Doctor.
that's pretty much all i'm coming up with, Julie, and honestly? that blows. i hate that the Doctor keeps making these choices for the people that love him. just because they're "stupid humans" doesn't mean they don't know what's best for them. argh!
with that being said, i loved the finale. i'm still on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster from it.
It struck me that
human-Doctor is a metacrisis, too. I don't think The Doctor's mean enough to put him and Rose together if he's got, like, half an hour.
I'm all
traumatized and stuff. That's the saddest happy ending I've ever seen.
Who 4x13:
Andi and I were alternately
Squeeing at the possibility that Donna's ring was The Master's and Doctor 10.1 would realize it, and then later that maybe Donna would turn out to be The Master when she ended up all talking DoctorDonna.
tiggy, nice catch on the
Ood foreshadowing.
As Juliebird has noticed, this whole season has been filled to the brim with foreshadowing. I love that about this show.
