I wasn't even that much of a fan of Jenny and Joe, because it felt like they were taking screen time that could've been used for Crane and Abbie together. 20-20 hindsight, I can see that it was just another part of them trying to make it more of an ensemble show since they knew Nicole would be leaving. Of course, they had to go and kill Joe too, which ALSO made me angry.

FOX had better cancel that mess. I don't want to see its shuffling zombie remnant as I'm going about my business online next fall.

Speaking of 20-20 hindsight, I wish I'd stopped watching as soon as I found out that Orlando Jones had been pushed off the show rather than choosing to jump to different projects. That was just such a clear sign that TPTB hadn't really gotten the message with what went wrong in S2 and what elements and characters they needed to keep. Plus, he's outspoken and opinionated and likes to interact with fans...something a healthy show would value. I would so love to get him drunk at the bar at a con one of these days just to get all the behind-the-scenes dirt on how the show went so awry.

To lighten up the thread a little, because y'all seem like you could use some cheering up, have a pic of my happy place, today:

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I wasn't even that much of a fan of Jenny and Joe, because it felt like they were taking screen time that could've been used for Crane and Abbie together.

And, frankly, an excuse to add another white guy to the cast.

they had to go and kill Joe too

Seriously? Man, fuck this show.

Oh, and apparently there's some kind of scene either right before she dies or with her ghost where she tells Crane that it was OK, that her role was to support him or help him transition to the modern world or something like that. Which...you turned the heroine of your show into a Magical Negro/Mammy trope?

That's an extreme interpretation. I'm not saying it's good or that you'd like it but it wasn't... that.

My response was WTF show? Then I thought there must be several contracts expiring.

Another thing that made me see red was Abby and Jenny's father turning out to know about the supernatural. So despite knowing the true state of affairs, he let his wife rot in an asylum until she died and his daughters be placed in foster care.

Yeah, that was messed up.

When Abbie turned up in an otherworldly diner and talked to August Corbin, I half expected Michael Shanks to be in the diner as well.

That's an extreme interpretation. I'm not saying it's good or that you'd like it but it wasn't... that.

::nods:: I was paraphrasing how I'd heard it described on Tumblr, because no WAY am I ever going to watch that episode. It's bad enough having seen gifsets and people's attempts at fix-it fics where she still dies but Crane tells her he loves her or we see them reunited in the afterlife, because what I want to do is work through the stages of grief to some kind of denial-acceptance where I can convince myself S3 never happened and that Crane and Abbie won through their various tribulations and lived satisfactory and full lives before dying of old age, preferably at each other's side with their children and grandchildren there to say goodbye to them.

Sigh. WHY did I let myself get so invested in a show when I *KNEW* it had creative issues, to put it mildly? Damn it, the writers behind this debacle don't deserve the power I somehow gave them to make me cry!

Ok, I watched it. That was utter bullshit, and I hope the show gets canceled so I won't feel tempted to torture myself by watching any more.

I need to go watch Buffy S5 again to make myself feel better.

there's some kind of scene either right before she dies or with her ghost where she tells Crane that it was OK, that her role was to support him or help him transition to the modern world or something like that

This, at least, did not happen. Tumblr gets carried away sometimes. She mostly just tells him that she's at peace and he should carry on without her.

Just watched Sleepy Hollow, and I didn't know it was the finale, and I didn't know they were killing Abbie. Unpleasant all around.

Interestingly, I'm seeing writers and creators of unrelated shows being pretty defensive on social media. I guess they worry that they're gonna get crap from fandom any time they do anything to a beloved character. And I understand that, and the whole weird interaction between shows and writers and fandoms.

But seriously, do the fucking math. Like that thing that went around Tumblr recently listing dead lesbian or bisexual characters and their causes of death.