I'm just waiting to see if I pass out. Long story.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Jessica - Apr 09, 2016 6:42:48 pm PDT #29464 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I wasn't even that much of a fan of Jenny and Joe, because it felt like they were taking screen time that could've been used for Crane and Abbie together.

And, frankly, an excuse to add another white guy to the cast.


Steph L. - Apr 09, 2016 7:49:22 pm PDT #29465 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

they had to go and kill Joe too

Seriously? Man, fuck this show.


aurelia - Apr 09, 2016 8:18:46 pm PDT #29466 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Oh, and apparently there's some kind of scene either right before she dies or with her ghost where she tells Crane that it was OK, that her role was to support him or help him transition to the modern world or something like that. Which...you turned the heroine of your show into a Magical Negro/Mammy trope?

That's an extreme interpretation. I'm not saying it's good or that you'd like it but it wasn't... that.

My response was WTF show? Then I thought there must be several contracts expiring.

Another thing that made me see red was Abby and Jenny's father turning out to know about the supernatural. So despite knowing the true state of affairs, he let his wife rot in an asylum until she died and his daughters be placed in foster care.

Yeah, that was messed up.


DCJensen - Apr 09, 2016 8:56:20 pm PDT #29467 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

When Abbie turned up in an otherworldly diner and talked to August Corbin, I half expected Michael Shanks to be in the diner as well.


Susan W. - Apr 10, 2016 5:49:34 am PDT #29468 of 30001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

That's an extreme interpretation. I'm not saying it's good or that you'd like it but it wasn't... that.

::nods:: I was paraphrasing how I'd heard it described on Tumblr, because no WAY am I ever going to watch that episode. It's bad enough having seen gifsets and people's attempts at fix-it fics where she still dies but Crane tells her he loves her or we see them reunited in the afterlife, because what I want to do is work through the stages of grief to some kind of denial-acceptance where I can convince myself S3 never happened and that Crane and Abbie won through their various tribulations and lived satisfactory and full lives before dying of old age, preferably at each other's side with their children and grandchildren there to say goodbye to them.

Sigh. WHY did I let myself get so invested in a show when I *KNEW* it had creative issues, to put it mildly? Damn it, the writers behind this debacle don't deserve the power I somehow gave them to make me cry!


Jessica - Apr 10, 2016 7:15:36 am PDT #29469 of 30001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Ok, I watched it. That was utter bullshit, and I hope the show gets canceled so I won't feel tempted to torture myself by watching any more.

I need to go watch Buffy S5 again to make myself feel better.

there's some kind of scene either right before she dies or with her ghost where she tells Crane that it was OK, that her role was to support him or help him transition to the modern world or something like that

This, at least, did not happen. Tumblr gets carried away sometimes. She mostly just tells him that she's at peace and he should carry on without her.


JenP - Apr 10, 2016 7:43:59 am PDT #29470 of 30001

Just watched Sleepy Hollow, and I didn't know it was the finale, and I didn't know they were killing Abbie. Unpleasant all around.


Dana - Apr 10, 2016 8:35:37 am PDT #29471 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Interestingly, I'm seeing writers and creators of unrelated shows being pretty defensive on social media. I guess they worry that they're gonna get crap from fandom any time they do anything to a beloved character. And I understand that, and the whole weird interaction between shows and writers and fandoms.

But seriously, do the fucking math. Like that thing that went around Tumblr recently listing dead lesbian or bisexual characters and their causes of death.


Susan W. - Apr 10, 2016 8:54:30 am PDT #29472 of 30001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Yeah, I think I need to step back a bit. Stay out of this thread a few days, try to stay off Tumblr and Twitter awhile too. At this point it's like poking at a scab that's not even close enough to healed to bear touching.

Eventually I'll be able to do a cool, measured analysis of how the show progressively failed its initial premise and promise, with lessons on what I and other writers should NOT do to our stories and characters. Right now it's all much too raw.


msbelle - Apr 10, 2016 9:37:21 am PDT #29473 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

apparently Vikings killed 2 female characters this week and so did Empire, so it was a rough week on that front.