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Jayne ,'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Kalshane - Dec 03, 2015 5:03:45 am PST #28852 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

No kidding. Savage at least looks the part, but then he opens his mouth and the ancient Egyptian immortal starts giving speechs in the actor's Danish accent.

Yes. The proper accent for ancient Egyptian immortals is Scottish.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 03, 2015 6:06:58 am PST #28853 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Of course, any accent we're hearing when people are supposedly speaking Ancient Egyptian is ahistorical, so I guess maybe Shayera and Khufu's accent indicates they're from Thebes and Savage's is typical of Memphis or wherever he came from.

I'm guessing the answer is the Time Lords, for some value of "Time Lords". Though given that he saved them in "Day of the Doctor" and they apparently felt well disposed enough towards him in "Time of the Doctor" to give him an extraordinary set of regenerations, I'll be curious as to what's supposed to have changed.

Maybe it's Rassilon and the High Council whose plans the Doctor thwarted in "The End of Time" rather than the military command we saw in "The Day of the Doctor"? As I recall, Rassilon was big on eternal torment for Time Lords he deemed unworthy.


Una - Dec 03, 2015 6:57:44 am PST #28854 of 30001
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

As annoying as Oliver lying to Felicity is, it's also kinda of in character? He's terrified and stressed out and he retreats to "I am a terrible person and must not tell my loved ones the horrible truth" guilt-laden idiocy. (maybe this is hand-waving to justify bad writing decisions, but otherwise I'm curled up in a ball under the table, so.)

This season's island flashbacks have been boring, but I nearly changed the channel during the Egyptian nonsense. Can we be done with the spinoffs now please?


Hil R. - Dec 03, 2015 4:26:11 pm PST #28855 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The more I think about it, the more I get annoyed at how they wrote Barry not realizing that "Check if the y chromosomes on these two things are the same" was a paternity test. I mean, has he EVER heard Oliver get that specific about science stuff? I'm pretty sure that Oliver would have no idea of anything that a test like that could be used for other than paternity, and Barry should have realized that, too.


Steph L. - Dec 03, 2015 4:29:32 pm PST #28856 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I also really don't buy Felicity just losing her shit entirely and going from zero to break-up in 30 seconds when Ollie just had his life completely upended. Plus, it's really out of character for her to bust out with a trust = loyalty test (that's really just designed to be a gotcha).

Hurt, yes. Thrown for a serious loop, totally. But OMG WE ARE SO OVER YOU UNTRUSTING LIAR? Yeah, no.


Hil R. - Dec 03, 2015 4:36:44 pm PST #28857 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I don't think Felicity was quite at break-up yet -- she was pissed, but if that timeline had continued, I think they would have cooled off and been able to discuss it. I think we're supposed to be seeing that she doesn't really believe that Oliver is going to stay.

And on that note, what on earth was preventing Oliver from lying to Samantha and telling the truth to Felicity, rather than the other way around? Tell Samantha, "I won't tell anyone," but then tell Felicity the whole thing. He's learned dozens of times by now that lying to loved ones never ends well, but he has no reason to keep a promise to Samantha, who's giving him an ultimatum.


Steph L. - Dec 03, 2015 4:46:25 pm PST #28858 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I don't think Felicity was quite at break-up yet

Really? I took that as break-up (and, IIRC, so did Barry).

And on that note, what on earth was preventing Oliver from lying to Samantha and telling the truth to Felicity, rather than the other way around?

Seriously.


Hil R. - Dec 03, 2015 4:50:48 pm PST #28859 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It seemed to me that it wasn't final. I'd have to watch it again, though.

Also, in that final scene, some of the glass on the floor was from that bowl where Oliver hid the ring, wasn't it? He's not stupid enough to have actually left the ring in there for months, is he?


sj - Dec 03, 2015 4:55:29 pm PST #28860 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Oliver? Yes, he is.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 03, 2015 4:56:39 pm PST #28861 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Any bets on how long Oliver can keep popping over to Central City for playdates with this kid before someone like Savage or the League of Assassins puts two and two together and fridges him?