Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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beekaytee - Aug 24, 2014 12:01:41 pm PDT #25524 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Good question. It may have been both taste and morals.

It just seemed mean spirited to me and even if he hadn't totally identified himself yet, he _surely_ identified as alien. Plus, how much of a role does Disney play in the Universe that the Doctor so readily pulled that reference out of his addled brain?

Huh. I realize now that the bottom line is that I have a huge prejudice against Disney in general and I guess I'd rather they not show up in the Doctor's world!


beekaytee - Aug 24, 2014 12:03:10 pm PDT #25525 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Was anyone else aghast/amused when Strax called out the young men in Clara's subconscious? "Sport. Well, it _could_ be sport."

My eyes flew open so wide they hurt!


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2014 12:07:35 pm PDT #25526 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If I were to compare it to telling a woman she's thinking of gay porn, I'd say both equally in character, one more bothersome, but trivially. I'd rather be a person who doesn't get names of things right called a dwarf than have my sexual fantasies investigated and narrated.


-t - Aug 24, 2014 12:10:40 pm PDT #25527 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Of course, since he keeps calling Clara "Boy" how likely is it that those are actually young men in her subconscious?


Sheryl - Aug 24, 2014 1:03:35 pm PDT #25528 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

So Missy was definitely someone we haven't seen before, right?

The guy sitting behind us at the Shamrokon showing of "Deep Breath" claimed she had shown up before, but I guess he was bullshitting us.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2014 1:25:11 pm PDT #25529 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Of course, since he keeps calling Clara "Boy" how likely is it that those are actually young men in her subconscious?

Since he doesn't seem to get gender, could have been anyone on anyone. Still, vs. being called a Disney character vs. your spank bank deets...I know which I'd feel more bothered by.


-t - Aug 24, 2014 1:29:36 pm PDT #25530 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

could have been anyone on anyone.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.


beekaytee - Aug 24, 2014 2:34:24 pm PDT #25531 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Very good point -t. That one hadn't occurred to me!

Man, this dialog was filled with many more nooks and crannies' than I'd have given Moffat credit for!


billytea - Aug 24, 2014 3:18:06 pm PDT #25532 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Hey, bonny, I came up with an Australian TV rec for you. If you haven't seen it, chase down The Slap. It's an eight-part miniseries, quite good.


beekaytee - Aug 24, 2014 3:34:37 pm PDT #25533 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

bt, thanks for thinking of me. I've seen The Slap. It was truly compelling. Made me think a lot about my couple's counseling clients. So many layers.