Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music.

Host ,'Why We Fight'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Steph L. - Dec 04, 2013 3:35:04 pm PST #24078 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Oh, totally unprofessional, but still making me giggle.

As is all the teasing at Barry Allen's origin story (mother's murder, taxi pulling away, lightning storm while he's handling chemicals).

I'm such a damn nerd.


Tom Scola - Dec 04, 2013 3:56:25 pm PST #24079 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Are they implying that Jay Garrick killed Barry Allen's father?


Vonnie K - Dec 04, 2013 4:15:08 pm PST #24080 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Huh. Moira said that guy's name! Ra'z something. Liam Neeson! (Don't look at me. I don't know anything about DC Comics).

I was weird seeing Oliver totally pwn'd in a fight. Poor stunt person! That looked like it hurt. Also, while I liked Barry, I was a bit cranky at how Felicity was all we need Barry for this and for that, when she was previously (totally unrealistically) capable of doing all sorts of chemical and biological analyses all by her own self.


Tom Scola - Dec 04, 2013 4:21:11 pm PST #24081 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Ra's al Ghul.


Steph L. - Dec 04, 2013 4:27:45 pm PST #24082 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Are they implying that Jay Garrick killed Barry Allen's father?

I was totally wondering that, unless it was supposed to be...whatshisname Thawne. Reverse Flash. (Who was maybe Barry Allen's secret twin, taken away at birth? I'm a little dodgy on his origin story.)

John Barrowman? STILL THE PRETTIEST.


Ginger - Dec 04, 2013 4:48:11 pm PST #24083 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

How much do I love them for that scene with the chemicals and the lightning? This much. I swear it's almost exactly the scene I remember from the comic.


Steph L. - Dec 04, 2013 4:59:37 pm PST #24084 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

How much do I love them for that scene with the chemicals and the lightning? This much. I swear it's almost exactly the scene I remember from the comic.

YES! I was burbling about that to Tim when he came home (he missed most of it) (and doesn't actually know anything about the Flash other than "runs fast; the animated version is voiced by Lex Luthor").


P.M. Marc - Dec 04, 2013 5:07:56 pm PST #24085 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm just saying, when it comes to storytelling in a limited-time format, like an episode of a TV show, expediency is going to play a role. And I still argue that the fact of the baby trumps how the baby came into the world, especially if it would mean using script time to explain a birthing stool, for instance.

They could do it like that product placement in Alias! "Quick! Get in the Ford F150on the birthing stool!"

Yes, I was thinking about this STILL in the car on the way home. In my defense, I've had more ridiculously nit-picking and obsessive thoughts.

I'm not sure why I allow myself to wince and twitch.

I mean, I'm watching a show where Katrina's a Quaker Witch who shops at Hot Topic, and Ichabod is a man of elevated station sporting some seriously taboo facial hair. BUT STILL! I WINCE AND TWITCH! Were they not so snarky and fun, it would be the exact sort of thing I couldn't watch for wanting to throw my remote through the screen.

Oh, and the bling her ex gave her? And the one he WANTED to give her? SO TOTALLY NOT IN THE PERIOD STYLE, OMG.


Ginger - Dec 04, 2013 5:28:19 pm PST #24086 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Apparently Plei and I were yelling at the same parts. (Not only was it not period style, but I don't think it was even period possible.)

Ichabod is a man of elevated station sporting some seriously taboo facial hair.

It's not like it wouldn't be easy to get him a straight razor. There really should have been a scene when he asked for hair powder.

I'd think that having a baby is pretty self-evident. It could have been shot in a more period fashion without explaining anything. The key thing was that Katrina had Ichabod's baby.


Calli - Dec 05, 2013 2:12:09 am PST #24087 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Oh, and the bling her ex gave her? And the one he WANTED to give her? SO TOTALLY NOT IN THE PERIOD STYLE, OMG.

And neither was exactly Quaker plain dress, either. I'm working on the theory that Moloch is providing Katerina's purgatorial wardrobe. It seems as logical a hand wave as anything.